Hackenberger motor

[fredos]

Hi all,


I have found a picture that describe the inside of the Bessler.
This picture has been drawed at the time of Bessler.
Perhaps it will help you all to find the solution of the Bessler wheel.

Another thing: you should have a look to the following adress:

http://moteur-hackenberger.over-blog.com/

The explanations are in french but i can translate them in english if u want.

[jim_mich]

Interesting! I wonder where that woodcut picture came from? It seems like an old idea, similar to rolling balls except it has springs attached to the ball guides.

Here is a link to a Google translation.

[KAS]

Hi fredos.

This looks like someones interpretation of bessler's wheel.

The principle (from what I make of it) is that rod gradually pushed the weight onto the spring at the centre. Then it twangs and releases the weight at the top of the wheel.
I have a problem with the loaded weight at 10 o'clock though. There is massive counter torque here.

Interesting nonetheless. Thanks for posting it.

Could you translate it for us english speakers?

P.S. The bessler type drawing looks a little fake.

Kas

[Gregory]

Really interesting! With the springs and locking rods.

I presume timing can be a serious problem with this design. In which moment the weights will arrive at a given position is depending on more things... rotational speed, inertia, centrifugal forces, etc.
It looks like the weights arrive a bit late at inside. Perhaps it would be good if they were arrived sooner, around 3 o'clock.

The force of the springs can be another dilemma. It would be good to have self-variable springs!

But I wonder, what if something can be done based on the idea.

[rlortie]

Kas,

I too say the drawing is a fake, first dead give away is the calligraphy of the numbers.

IMO, it is no different than MT #1 through 8 with a lot of extra garbage thrown in. To operate as depicted it would have to have as much pull on the weights as it does push. and you still have the basic "displacement of weight". Also I may add that CF would not treat this design with any respect!

Be sure you read the addendum at the bottom of Jim's Google translated link. Hackenberger admits that it does not work as drawn. Note the date on his drawing, it was made within the last month, the addendum is dated March 8, 2007

Ralph

[ozzy]

Seems like Mr Hackenberger is very keen on getting donations to fund the building of a prototype.... Now where is my VISA....

[rlortie]

For what it is worth, I cannot help but see some inspiration in this wheel design.

I do not believe it will work, but as the weight starts its drop on the elliptical spoke/ path it is building in inertia. Also it is creating CF in a downward direction thus pulling on the wheel. I presume inertia is supposed to carry it back up to the hub.

One must imagine this taking place with the wheel also in motion which would compound the velocity for the CF that is created.

One might consider replacing the springs with a rod sliding through the axle. As a weight hits this rod it transfers the energy to the opposite weight and you have a radial Newton's gravity machine.

Ralph

[fredos]

perhaps we must wait for the design of the motor. Jim Hackenberger says
that a motor will be available in a few months.
He is looking for funds for building his prototype. I don't like that because
it is the method used by frauders for getting funds and go away without leaving something.
Personally , i am an electronic engineer and i cant say if this design will work but the way that Hackenberger use the springs is really interesting.
So , as i am not a mecanical engineer, i would like to get your feedback
about this design with some calculations for those who like mecanical physic :-);


Thanks for your answers.

Fredos

[rlortie]

Fredos,

The machine works on the same principle as concentrating mass close to the axle on the ascending side. Bessler himself said that this was a futile approach, but not exactly in those words.

A deeper search into Hackenburger via the web, finds several excuses as to why his machine is having problems. He appears to have pulled a number of pictures or depictions from related links.

I leave it up to others to provide the calculations you ask for. IMO, they are a going to conclude that it is not going to function.

Ralph Lortie B.C.P.E.

[spring wheel]

My best idea is that the weight is at the periphery of the wheel at the top, and stays there untill it's on the upswing, slighty bends in but that there is enough tension to get it back to the original position by the vertical plane.

this is similar to another spring /pole tension wheel I saw earlier. I see this as harvesting spring tension stored from gravity. It's not like bessler described and would be unidirectional, as the noises would be heard at the top of the wheel.

At the risk of sounding stupid I'd say a wheel like this is possible, (maybe with pairs of weights where each weight is or something strange like that) and would need to be explained on a subatomic level. Tension from covalent bonds that keep the rigid solids intact comes from somewhere. It could be overunity or just harvesting the slow conversion of unmeasurable energy multiplied by the unimaginable amount of atoms.

Another force it may harvest is van der walls or electromagnetism, opposite charges attract (on an atomic lvl). It may be at a minute scale but with so many atoms it could become significant. It appears as though it could work if constructed well.


The fact that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate also implies that energy IS being created in a vaccum, but still it just may be something we don't understand.

All particles decay, perhaps it's somehow harvesting the energy of decay slowly.

[Flywheel]

I don't fully understand the working of the wheel, but it would make a lot of sense if it worked

1) Bystanders heard scratching noises from inside the wheel

2) cylinder weights

3) Use of springs

4) Simple

5) Weights get their energy from their swinging

6) Each arm resembles a bow, from the apologia and whenever bessler did something that looked like pushing down on a heavy spring that made a twanging noise (maybe could've messed up by letting go of one of the springs during setup)

7) "pegs forced the weights to not follow there normal path around zenith"

if you look at the clues in this website:

1) Weights were attached to moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel

2) weights were pierced in the middle and attached by connecting springs

and so on and so forth,lots of coincidences or what?

also can someone explain to me out this would work if it did?

[Fletcher]

6. is an opinion about a bow

7. is Franks Edwards fabrication - completely unsubstantiated opinion.

1a & 2a are witness opinions

1 thru 5 seem reliable & to be backed up by Bessler's own words.

All if taken in islolation would fit multitudes of wheel designs imo.

[rlortie]

All if taken in islolation would fit multitudes of wheel designs imo.

Yes and multitudes of OOB designs that Bessler said were in vain! If it looks like MT 1 through 8 then it probably turns like 1 to 8.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

Weights act at right angles.

Pair of pairs.

Looks glorious like a peacocks tail (weights speed outward on one side)

Weights exchange places, one moves out and one moves in.

One to four weight (or force?) relationship, which is also a CF relationship.

Inter-connectivity principle.

Don't know if I have the above wordings correct?




Edit: If weights exchange places then they must do the exchanging twice each rotation.

Almost forgot...

Eight thumps each wheel rotation on the later wheel(s).

The Radiation symbol with the three/ six wedges on a circle, printed at a time of the earlier wheels.

[iacob alex]

Hi !
Some new insights , at : http://moteur-hackenberger.over-blog.com/page/6
Al_ex