False weight

[Flywheel]

Just so you all know if I don't reply back then I'm just to lazy to, yup, I'm pretty unreliable... lol

This is one of my latest ideas that you have all probably thought of 100 million times... If you were tu use springs to counterbalance weights on the opposite side of a lever or some means of a simple machine, the center of gravity would be in the same place, but the weight would seem weightless? Springs can be used (I think) to replace weights where you want force but not weight.

[Gravmaster2000]

forces (as by a spring) can be really useful, since they are not affected much by inertia....That problem is, to help on one side always seems to hinder the other.

[LustInBlack]

If you can simulate a false gyro, that would be even better!

[Tinhead]

Simulate?

Not a gyroscope, but here you go:

http://www.havingasoftware.nl/software/ ... ppetop.htm

http://umlab.ru/index/demo/12.htm

Cheers,
Rainer

[LustInBlack]

"simulate" same effect..

Gyro is used in my idea.

[Gregory]

Gyro movie and sim.

http://www.gyroscopes.org/movies.asp

http://www.ph.biu.ac.il/~rapaport/java-apps/gyro.html

[LustInBlack]

Thanks Greg,


What I am looking for however, is a way to achieve the same effect without a gyro ... Strange as it sounds .. ;]

[Gregory]

What I am looking for however, is a way to achieve the same effect without a gyro ... Strange as it sounds .. ;]

Some self-lifting mechanism would be good as well... ;)
But I will tell you if I got a dream about a gyroless gyro.

[LustInBlack]

I can make a deal, I give you the self-lifting mech if you give me the gyroless gyro .. 8]

[Gregory]

OK LIB, agreed... We will make the deal if things will be figured out.

Now, it's time to give back Flywheel's topic to him, before we totally bias it. ;)


Flywheel,

I like your idea. Many things are possible. Perhaps a wheel can even turn in the opposite direction where the Cog stays, if it designed that way for that operation.

I think the problem with counterbalacing a weight with a spring is the way how can we arrange them. Springs have to be attached to something at least at one end.

It's easy to balance a weight when things are not rotate / move, but when thing are move, you have to do something with the spring. Disconnect, or move its attachment point...? Or the spring have to be independent from other parts of the mech.

Just quick random thoughts...

[LustInBlack]

Greg, No problemo, let's figure that out together .


The springs, I also think about changing my weights to springs, as they would be massless, offer better performance with quick oscillations etc .

Now, how can they "follow" the wheel .. Hmm .. Sliding pivots under the main wheel !? ..

Arrange the springs on the center of the wheel !? ..

The problem with springs, is that they must be kept under pressure to "simulate" a weight .. The travel must be short or the spring really long..


If one were to find a way to get the overbalance on one side of the wheel, tie springs under pressure to this wheel and tie the other ends of the springs to the ground and insure that those same springs are always at 90 degrees to the ground, they would get flase weights and figured a way to make a machine that could adapt dynamicly to the environment.. THus a gravity engine that would not decrease in power on incline planes, acceleration or braking of it's structure.

[Gregory]

I also think the greatest advantage of a spring can be its light weight compared to a heavy weight with a lot of inertia.

But springs need a different way of thinking...

-Unlike gravity springs can be positioned. They haven't got two poles like magnets have, but both can be positioned and that is an advantage.
-They make an interaction between two body.
-They have to be compressed or extended in order to generate a force, which supposes a work to be done before you can use a spring for something other.
-Use pull & push always repeatedly with a spring?

If a spring is constatntly attached to a point, then that is not a good use I suppose.

I think It would be a good idea to try with a spring:

re-attach ---> disconnect ---> change place ---> re-attach --->

While it reacts with another part / parts of the system.

Arranging them on the center... can be good for something...
They must be kept under pressure for some time, but not all the time. (otherwise they'll do nothing I think. no changes...)

f one were to find a way to get the overbalance on one side of the wheel, tie springs under pressure to this wheel and tie the other ends of the springs to the ground and insure that those same springs are always at 90 degrees to the ground, they would get flase weights and figured a way to make a machine that could adapt dynamicly to the environment.. THus a gravity engine that would not decrease in power on incline planes, acceleration or braking of it's structure.

Lol! :) I love this engine even runs cool on inclined planes! Looks like one of my best dreams.