Kinetica Museum to display Steorn's Orbo

[Stewart]

Found this article about Orbo on the BBC News website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm

It has some photos which show more clearly the angled magnets and the rotor, which were removed from the demo unit at Kinetica as seen on the video feeds.

It also shows what closed-mindedness we're all up against. It reminds me of the way Eric Laithwaite was treated by the Royal Society. It makes you wonder if those in the upper echelons of the Royal Society already know about 'PM' but have too many vested interests in other technologies to allow it become widely known! I'm struggling to find other explanations as to how someone could be so closed-minded and call themselves a scientist. Perhaps it's just that to accept the possibility means that your life's knowledge and work has been based on false assumptions, and also, having not had such restrictions placed on you, you might have achieved greater things yourself and the thought of that is too hard to bear. It's interesting that the guy who wrote the article, despite being so adamant that it wouldn't work and that Steorn are wasting their time, still went to see the demonstration! He can't have been that sure after all!

Anyway, it shows nothing has changed whatsoever since Bessler's time, and also serves to remind us that all great advancements in technology are made by the hardworking self-taught engineers & craftsmen and not the scholarly so called 'learned' men.

However, I have no idea whether Steorn have anything or not, although the fact that it is apparently some sort of magnet device makes me think they have, as I have always thought this to be possible given the right arrangement. However I also thought that such a device would be getting it's energy from the magnets and that they would be depleted over time, but Steorn don't seem to think that is the case with their machine. Perhaps if they had said that it got it's energy from the magnets, even if they think or know it doesn't, they might have got a more friendly reception! I think they've been a bit naive in their approach to the whole thing, and to not go through with a demonstration that you said you would give, no matter what the reason, is a 'PM' cardinal sin IMO.

Anyway, I really hope Steorn have something. Good luck to them if they have.

Stewart

[jim_mich]

If you're going to give a public demo make sure you have a back up device (or enough spare parts on hand to do an on the spot quick repair) in case of mechanical failure (or sabotoge).

It is the failure to appreciate the difference between this scientific (conservation of energy) law and a law of religion or of society which is why we know - without having to examine details of a particular device - that Orbo cannot work.

This man thinks that he knows everything! Many professors treat their profession like a religion.

Conservation of energy is a true solid concept. Except that at times we don't fully understand all the forces involved. There are forces in this universe that mankind has rejected or closed their eyes to. What makes an apple fall to Earth? What makes a weight have four times as much kinetic energy when it was sped up by twice the speed? What makes large capacitors jump when suddenly discharged? What make static electricity attract or repel? How can ball lightning pass through objects as if they weren't there? Why is the Earth growing in size? How do anomalous elements get into closed containers? How do chickens lay an egg a day without consuming enough calcium to make the egg shells? What make a tree grow upright. Why do plants grow at night when there is no sunshine? The questions go on and on. Yet this professor thinks that he knows for a fact that conservation of energy holds true in all cases. In theory it does, if you know totally everything about the situation and can account for all energies. But no one is all knowing! There are energies that are yet to be discovered if we just open our eyes.

[graham]

Remember these guys ?
They're still at it.

http://www.environ-energy.com/environ_h ... ture..html

Graham

[rlortie]

Edited quote form the Forum "Futureenergynow" regarding Orbo!

it's like any down to earth man, scientist,
has expected ... they don' show up with evidence,
for the obvious reason, it ain't working,
and it can't produce over unity.

Today on their web site:
www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1001
they are pulling there tail between there legs;
demo is suspended for weeks...

maening, never. ;-)

Grts
Bruno M.

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--- In futureenergynow@yahoogroups.com, ranger116@... wrote:
>
>
> Steorn / Orbo free energy generator Live Video Stream, Update
>
> Local UK update on Steorn
> Posted by Rupert Goodwins
> ==================================
> T Lee Buyea - Fla News Service
> ==================================
>
> ( See below ?? -- They built the model they planned to display on line,
> In a lab located at the Museum Yesterday ??? !!! What the Hell ??
> That makes a lot of sense ? Spend a year building a working
> model, Then build a new one in a temporary lab at the museum -- Another
> excuse
> !! ??)
> Steorn demo fails to appear - update >> Mixed Signals
> >> Rupert
> Goodwins's Blog at ZDNet UK Community
> Watch the live streaming video of the device here, If it ever starts
> working ?
> Orbo - The Magnetic Free-Energy Generator from Steorn
> Address:http://www.steorn.com/orbo/
>
>
Address:http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100 ... 77b,00.htm

> Those engaging chaps from Dublin who claim
> to have rewritten the laws of physics and invented a perpetual motion
> machine are in town. More precisely, Steorn has taken over the Kinetica
> Museum, an arty space in the remains of London's Spitalfields Market,
> put up a load of banners and as from 11pm last night was due to be
> streaming live video of the machine - now called Orbo - doing its funky,
> Scotty-defying stuff. As of 11am today, the museum is scheduled to be
> open to all, so we can eyeball it for ourselves.
> Imagine. A new era in mankind's history of
> technology, and the first ever public demonstration is happening about
> two miles from home. Too good to be true! I
> popped over last night on the off-chance that something might be
> happening -- a press event was rumoured -- and caught Steorn MD Sean
> McCarthy as he hung around outside the venue chatting to a couple of
> fans.
> He wasn't in the mood for a full interview ("You must be Rupert", he
> said without detectable enthusiasm) but he did mention a couple of
> curious things.
> "We've made the demo out of perspex so there's
> nowhere to hide any batteries", well, fair enough.
> But what to make of "We don't expect to convince
> anyone with the demo straight off, it's more a sort of cat and mouse
> game. We'll see how people react and change it accordingly"?
> No, me neither. But with that, he was gone. I
> took some photos, but there was nothing much to see - the museum has
> trendy glass walls, and inside you could just make out a big black cube
> within which the device is purportedly being constructed.
>
> As for the demo - as of this morning it wasn't running. Steorn says:
>
> ??-->>>??---> "A test unit which was built yesterday in Kinetica, in the
> temporary lab we have set up. Once we had signed off on the final
> magnetic configurations we went to transfer this magnetic config to the
> display unit & casing on the exhibition floor. Here they ran into some
> technical issues, firstly a problem with the bearings, which was fixed
> once identified. The next issue appears to be an environmental issue. We
> think possibly the temperature from the lighting system in the immediate
> area, but this has to be further assessed in the morning.
> The current plan of action is to have a
> technical meeting in the morning and we will update you from there - we
> are planning to turn on the web streaming by lunch time so we can give
> you an ongoing update on progress (and you can see some stressed
> Engineers working in real-time, if it is not fixed by then!) The demo
> will go ahead as soon as we fix the small outstanding issues."
> Meanwhile, the Steorn fans are not happy. Some have travelled
> considerable distances to see this...
> More later. I'll pop over there at lunchtime and see whether we're any
> closer to the global revolution in human affairs that Steorn has
> promised, or whether it still looks like a bunch of Dub chancers having
> a laugh.
> [UPDATE]
> Still not there, but as Steorn has just said
> that the museum will be closed all day there's probably no point.
> Nothing happening online either, where the only streamed video appears
> to be from a fixed camera somewhere south of the Thames. Kinetica is
> north, near Liverpool Street Station.

[epistemologicide]

There are engineers (i know of one personally) which were asked to sign NDA"s and test the device.

Why dont they let those engineers produce their replications?

If i signed i would leak it out on the net ANON, then you wold have 1000's over the net replicate it.
Some times you need to be more objective, as human nature is in such a bad way,

by the time these Idiots figure how to get FE out there valuable time can be lost, and lives in Africa and others continue to decline , and our planet keeps getting irreversible damage.

[docfeelsgood]

Well Epistem. .. that sure speaks tons for your integrity !!! Thanks for the warning !!! perhaps thats why most on the forum would not be willing to bring forth a viable PM idea even if they had one !!! The planet is on a decline you say ?? hell its been on a decline since the invention of explosives !!! AND before that ever since a cave man could pick up a rock or a sharp stick !! i seriously doubt that the invention of PM would have deterred Hitler of ww2 or Kaiser Bill of ww1 or Vlad in the 1400s from untold numbers of barberism !! might be better if ya hailed the itinerent barber on his way through and got your nuts nullified !!! if this is such a hellhole why bring more offspring into it !! kinda seals their fate dont it !!

[coylo]

Jeez Doc, you really sound depressed!

Here is a report from Dr. Mike from the Steorn forums on the Orbo event:

Steorn Forum Representative Final Report, July Demo 2007
by drmike

As the elected (by somewhat loose means) forum representative I had a
fantastic opportunity to be allowed to check the outrageous claims of
Steorn. On top of that, Steorn paid my air fare and put me up in a
really nice hotel very close to Buckingham Palace.

At the beginning, I thought I was going to Dublin. All through April I
was dubious about the trip being real. In the first week of May,
Steorn sent me tickets for the London Demo. I was not to tell anyone
of the travel dates because Steorn wanted the place and time to be
announced on the day of the demo.

When I first told the forum I was going, I did not mention a two day
period before the demo. Sean got very upset about that. While it
appeared to me to be a simple mistake easily rectified, he seemed
exceptionally angry.

During this whole time Steorn sent me two papers. The first did not
explain any detail, but the second was a full technical report. Sean
had mentioned magnetic viscosity as the key to the effect he was
seeing. I wanted to find a way to combine Steorn's technology with a
fundamental physics test.

So I came up with the pendulum idea. The purpose was to look at the
physics of Steorn's claim without giving away any technological
secrets. Steorn agreed it was ok to post the idea.

Many people looked at the first idea and made lots of suggestions for
improvement. I built the electronics, then the physical device and
took data. With more suggestions, I modified a few things and took
more data.

With the data looking pretty good and several people beginning the
analysis, I built a second data collection device. This only had
magnetic field probes, but I figured it would be a good backup.

I had plenty of tools and electronics. My wife had picked out lots of
places to go, but I was figuring on not seeing much of London. I saw
a lot more than I expected.

I started time shifting two days before leaving. I wanted to make
sure the two days before the demo would be without jetlag problems.
While not completely successful, I had very little trouble adapting
the next day.

Just before I left I got a copy of Wikipedia's version of Noether's
theorem and an English translation of the original paper. I spent a
good deal of the flight over reading these two texts so I could
understand the full argument. While I learned a lot from this, it
never really came up.

My wife and I landed in London late on a Sunday. We found our driver
and got to the hotel with no problems. I got to bed and went to sleep
quickly given I was tired from all the travel.

There are a couple of important side stories here. Two gentlemen
offered me quite a bit of help and I gratefully accepted it. One is
SpinOnThis. The other wishes to remain anonymous.

Anonymous sent me a phone he had purchased in China. Crank had
explained how the pay-as-you-go phones worked. So first thing monday
morning I walked up Piccadilly street and found a mobile phone
store.

Once I got a sim card for the phone, I called SpinOnThis to see how
the phone worked. SpinOnThis was not feeling well and wanted me to
meet his wife at Euston Station. She was already on the train!

We had exchanged pictures via the net, and SpinOnThis had his wife
wear his Jacket and T shirt. I figured out how to get to Euston
station, but we had no idea which platform she was coming in on.
After 10 minutes of wandering around, she spotted me in my hat.

She had brought me a very expensive laptop and a brand new, never used
before cell phone. The original purpose was to help me take data
during the first two days. It ended up helping immensely in keeping
up with the forum. My wife used the phone to stay in contact with me
and that was exceptionally useful.

With two phones and a computer, I was now ready for Steorn. So I
called CathyC and found out Sean and crew had trouble getting in and
they would contact me tuesday. OK, I figured that was possible, so I
went sightseeing.

On tuesday, I was still psyched and ready. I sent email and tried to
call. Unfortunately I didn't really understand how the phone worked,
so I was not successful all the time. It didn't really matter since
CathyC said Sean would call me when he was ready. So I went
sightseeing again.

By wednesday I was very familiar with much of the Underground and had
overcome any left over jetlag. I also figured my chances of seeing
anything were nil. I spent the afternoon lost in Greenwich learning
about John Harrison and the invention of the chronometer.

On thursday I went to Kinetica. There were quite a few people there
so I chatted with many of them. Richard came out and told us there
were still lots of problems and things weren't right yet. There were
signs on the doors saying technical problems remained, but the live
feed had started. I went out to lunch with the Earth Tech crowd and
had fun listening to many ideas on how Steorn's stuff could be working.

With the official opening delayed I met my wife and we went to the
Victoria and Albert museum to see the Surrealists show and then on to
the British museum to see the Rosetta stone.

On friday I went back to Kinetica. I met with several people from
Earth Tech International. The opening was still delayed, and I asked
Hal Puthoff if I could take him out to lunch. He said he had to meet
with some other people and we could meet up at 13:00. So I went back
to my hotel.

At the hotel, I logged in and found out the demo had been cancelled
and that Sean would be making a public announcement at 15:00. I got
back on the tube and made it back about 13:10. Hal and I had a great
lunch in a very small sandwich shop and talked about quantum
mechanics. I would have to say this was the highlight of the trip for
me, as I am now psyched to go back into doing physics experiments I've
been putting off for a couple of decades.

At 15:00 we got back to Kinetica and heard Sean apologize. I am
assuming that anyone reading this has read the Steorn forum or fizzix
or FreeEnergyTracker blog to know what was said there. He talked for
a long time, and took several people up stairs who would not be able
to come on saturday. The rest of us chatted while they were upstairs
and around 17:00 we took off to the pub.

At the pub we talked physics. I listened to EFF explain many of his
ideas and asked a few questions. After a while we wandered to another
corner where other people had gathered and tried to come up with as
many plausible explanations for how magnetic viscosity or lag or
delays could help create energy. As a skeptic I tried to explain why
it'd never work, but I had a blast talking. After losing count of the
number of Guinness I had polished off, I made my back to the hotel.

On saturday Sean again brought everyone into the lower part of
Kinetica and answered many questions. This was for the SPDC, not
really for the public. After a while, he took us all upstairs and
explained pretty much everything I had seen in the technical report
plus a few other things. A lot of people played with magnets and
tried to get things to spin. It was a lot of fun.

The bottom line is that Steorn claimed they could "create energy".
They claimed they had a "start - stop" device which proved it.
Nothing like either claim was shown at all.

One of the comments I saw on the forum was that if this was a con,
something would have worked here. Watching Sean and listening to him
talk (and boy can he talk!!) I am convinced he has seen everything he
describes. Unfortunately, the rest of us have not.

I am certain Steorn really believed I would see something that
resembled their claim. They spent a lot of money setting up this demo
and some 2000 pounds sending me over and putting me up. There are
much cheaper ways to pull a con.

If it was a hoax, the whole upstairs would not exist, nor would Sean
have taken the time to go through all the details of how he thinks it
all works. I can not describe any of those details without breaking
the NDA, so it puts me in a fairly strange position. The flaws in the
thought process are clear to me, but Steorn considers these details
propriatary information.

My conclusion after going through all this is that Steorn is neither
hoax nor scam. It is delusion. The reason it seems surreal is
because it is surreal - we are the real part of someone elses
imagination.

I thank Steorn for this truely awesome opportunity to meet so many
really wonderful people. I hope I get to meet you all again someday.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/Steorn/final_report.text

[jonnynet]

I'm not sure if I could understand all details but this report was nice to read and there's a question on my part.

The reason it seems surreal is because it is surreal - we are the real part of someone elses imagination.

What does it mean, coylo? Can you say it in other words.

Apart from that there are also german articles about Steorn and mixed feelings are arising when reading those. For example:

http://www.factorfake.de/steorn-aufwaen ... eiten.html

I hope you'll understand the text by using a translation by google e.g.

[coylo]

He's talking about real people like himself taking part in someone else's delusion......a dreamworld. Like you would be if you visited disneyland. So Kinetica was a surreal experience.

I recall builds where I really had myself convinced (and others) that I had it, only until the last moment, when I found out that they were not fair tests. I think Steorn might be in a similar situation, maybe they may reveal that they were in error!

[Bessler007]

If i signed i would leak it out on the net ANON, then you wold have 1000's over the net replicate it.
Some times you need to be more objective, as human nature is in such a bad way...

I'm very impressed with your integrity. Most people aren't so honest.

[epistemologicide]

Its very frustrating human nature, i appreciate your kind words.

I just saw another poison pill report on Steorn.

That dood is probably working for the oil companies.

The chows (Chinese) has already had a PM rotor/magnet since 2004 and already have funding.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/WangShumHo.htm

Depends which country your in, the Chows dont seem to be worried about the world banks /oil companies who are part of the conspiracy,
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/OilSubjugation.htm

Regards
ashtweth
(epi)

[ovyyus]

The chows (Chinese) has already had a PM rotor/magnet since 2004 and already have funding.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/WangShumHo.htm

Lawrence Tseung... hmm, where have I heard that name... ah yes, now I remember: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1419

These guys eat nice tender young white fellas for breakfast mate :D

[epistemologicide]

lol,

mate you should see the emails i get from him, they state there is all this funding for them now, but still seek a marketing genius to get their tech out there.

The good news is they have conferred with the bloke that writes our on line university Patrick Kelly, and allowed full replication, apparently the details are at the OU forum. If Patrick puts it on our on line uni, i think you will find it as the most practical guide to replication of a device there is.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/