Why Perpetual Motion Machines Are Impossible.

[docfeelsgood]

Gregory ; in a thread by John Collins "bessler may have shared his secrets" he states that he has an original letter or copy thereof which states that Bessler gave a blacksmith named John Adam Crone his daughter to marry and passed all his secrets to this man !! so i fail to see how you can say he [Johann] took ALL his secrets to the grave !!

[Gregory]

OK Doc, then I was wrong.

But what this man, John Adam Crone did with the secrets? Did he build wheels? Who this John Adam Crone passed the secrets to at the end of his life?

If the secrets have lost or just remained secrets, then it doesn't help us.

Regarding the outcome, after all I wasn't wrong... If the secrets are secrets, then Bessler and all the others took them to their grave, or kept in silence. The same outcome... We don't know about.

[Michael]

Nova has a good show on Newton the alchemist right now.

[docfeelsgood]

Gregory ; A good part of the puzzle could be solved if one knew the names of Johann Adam Crone and his wife Catherine Elisabeth Bessler Crone offspring names and who they married . i have found various spellings for Crone , Cron , Kron , Krone . personaly i know the connection exists but the proof is elusive !! and having been involved with perpetual motion for 60+ years i'm getting kinda tired of thinking about it and doing much furthur research . also to have had an original "MT" and a notebook which i believe explained it in my hands not understanding because of the language is very disheartening !!! however if that "MT" ever surfaces somewhere in the future it is easily known by one of the front plates will have reddish oily fingerprints on it , they are mine !! a combo of rust and oil . probobly just smudges now after 40 years and i have huge hands to begin with . I dast not go into any further detail of wheel detail because two other members of this forum are actively working on it . they have made extrodinary strides with its development . i dont want my extremly Irrasible nature rubbing off on them by saying much !!!! Michael ; Sorry! I'm not trying to highjack your thread and will now refrain . Regards, "Doc"

[Gregory]

Thank you, I see your point now. You are far more informed than me. I wonder about your faith after 60+ years.

The notebook you are talking about sounds very exciting. I wish best of luck for the members involved in it. It would be good if Bessler had shared some of his secrets in any way. Hope everyone will hear about a working wheel soon.

[wheelrite]

Full marks for effort Doc, 60 yrs is some kind of record. Dont let anyone tell you that you don't have stamina lol.
By the way , another old spelling of Crone is Krohn with an h.
Regards
Jon

[Mikhail]

Hello has all!

The machine has perpetual motion is possible and it this finds here.

It is necessary to understand operation, to manufacture a prototype and to admire its operation.

[Bessler007]

There is a lever, a fulcrum, and an object at one end that is going to be lifted by an object at the other end. Generally it is thought that the fulcrum and the earth it is anchored to is static, unbiased or an unalterable frame of reference. This of course is not true and the fulcrum/earth is having a change imposed upon it as well as the other two objects.

In practical terms the earth isn’t changed. The effect of the lever on the orbit or rotation of the earth would be so slight it could be considered nonexistent.

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[ovyyus]

Perception may be slight but the effect is proportional and perfectly energy balanced. The symmetry is beautiful and orderly and universal.

[Bessler007]

A practical example of

There is a lever, a fulcrum, and an object at one end that is going to be lifted by an object at the other end.

would be one of the very large cranes they use. One particular crane lifted an entire span of a bridge in place in one evening. The span was a 320 foot long truss weighing over 850 tons. There was no special control on the crane to account for any change in the rotation or orbit of the earth for it to accomplish that task.

The earth was a sufficient frame of reference for the crane to accomplish the task. I didn't even notice.

Claiming that a gravity powered wheel is impossible because the earth isn't a sufficient frame of reference is as illogical as saying that since something has never been done it's impossible. Both lines of reasoning are equally absurd.

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[DrWhat]

Here is an example of perpetual motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvRzWYCZ2e0

[ike]

for those who are interested pm is posible !
i know how bessler did it because i crackt his code
ask john i gave him the way to decypher the apologia poetica
in this text you will find the clues

[LustInBlack]

Well give us the clue, what's the problem...

[MrTim]

for those who are interested pm is posible !
i know how bessler did it because i crackt his code
ask john i gave him the way to decypher the apologia poetica
in this text you will find the clues

Well, if that's the case, I hope your Deutsch was better than your English...! ;)

[John Collins]

I get a lot of emails telling me how to crack the code and although I cannot specifically recall which one was Ike's, I do know that none received so far have turned out to be right - why don't you post it here Ike so we can check out your ideas and I can refresh my memory. Thanks.

JC