Why Gravity wheels don't violate the laws of Physics

[scott]

What a great thread, thanks all. I think maybe there's still some ambient energy in the air we haven't tapped. Not necessarily thermal either. Silly me :-)

[10x]

air we haven't tapped.

You might just be correct.

[arthur]

--lay bessler's wheel flat (horizontal) on the ground and give it a spin. it does not accelerate.
--stand it vertical: give it a spin and it accelerates.

jim I think this is a fair assumption.

I don't think that ignoring gravity will help you find the answer.

[arthur]

Drop a brick on ye foot and it does show it will do work.
Now how do you get the brick back up?

magic

[jim_mich]

Everyone and his brother has looked at gravity as a source of energy to turn a PM wheel. Maybe the reason none have found a solution is because they are looking in the wrong place? Maybe we need to look at dynamic forces? The wheel obviously needed to move dynamically in order to work.

[arthur]

Everyone and his brother has looked at gravity as a source of energy to turn a PM wheel.

Not Everyone! It's ignored by nearly everyone thanks to mainstream education/science/media

Maybe the reason none have found a solution is because they are looking in the wrong place?

I think because people are conditioned to believe that there are no simple answers.

[10x]

More amusing is the fact the wheel had weights removed and then taken, then the wheel taken to a new location. Self contained also. Man that would have been a trick to fake.

I would realy like to see how that was don if faked. LOL

[arthur]

exactly 10x..... bessler was for real.
he had a simple working mechanism
powerful forces of mind control have suppressed it

[Michael]

arthur what's wrong with different ideas?
Steve, consider the average wheel turning at 26 rpm. Let's say it was 30 rpm. Typically one might think that a thermal source would need to act fast but looking at it another way if there was one thermal charge per each overbalancing weight, said charges only have to fire once per rotation. That means every 2 seconds, which is a lot of time. If there were 2 charges per overbalancing weight and they took turns, every 4 seconds. 4 charges every 8 etc etc etc.

[arthur]

Im not trying to attack anyone I'm jut trying to defend simple logic so that people don't get confused by mainstream science.

Now I'm gonna close my laptop and retire from this crazy forum 4 a minute

[MrTim]

Everyone and his brother has looked at gravity as a source of energy to turn a PM wheel. Maybe the reason none have found a solution is because they are looking in the wrong place? Maybe we need to look at dynamic forces? The wheel obviously needed to move dynamically in order to work.

So, care to explain how Bessler's one-way wheel started turning by itself from a stopped position, since no dynamic force could be acting if the wheel was at rest...?
;)

[bluesgtr44]

C'mon...C'mon...the Draschwitz wheel turned at over 50 RPM's unloaded and the Merseburg at over 40 RPM's...anyone correct me if I am wrong on these documented witness statements. And they achieved this speed in less than 2-3 revolutions...if I am wrong, correct me...


Steve

P.S. This is an extreme over balance....or????

[bluesgtr44]

Ohhhh yeah...good hint!

--lay bessler's wheel flat (horizontal) on the ground and give it a spin. it does not accelerate.
--stand it vertical: give it a spin and it accelerates.

Think about this...he says that the diameter is important in the velocity...the diameter...leverage...wow! the one thing that has always been a loser!


Steve

[ovyyus]

Steve, as the diameter of a wheel increases then it's rim velocity must increase for the same RPM.

[bluesgtr44]

What if the application isn't directly on the rim, Bill...what if the movement is about 12", as John suggests...and it is taking place about mid diameter of the wheel. But, the movement is on the descending side only...no lifting...no shifting on the ascending side.


Steve