Quantum

[LustInBlack]

This will probably sound far-stretched but, hey.. Why not ..

Bessler sounds spooky in his poem.. He refers to god and sounds esotheric..

Is it possible that his wheel only turns when you DON'T see the mechanism !?


Sounds like quantum theory and shrodinger thought experiments (Dead/Alive cat) ..

Briefly, in the quantum world, everything exists as potential reality, nothing is determined until observed..

If you don't observe, the result is probability.. Could it be possible that a macroquantum phenomena exists and permits the use of force because of no observation ?!


Maybe that cloth that kept the secret was the prime mover!? ;]

[LustInBlack]

If we accept this theory.. Than a possible working wheel would be one that is more susceptible to work, or has a greater chance of turning ...

What can be defined as observation !? .. Interaction of parts?! ..

Parts would have to be isolated one from the other to keep them from adding up into the probability, thus conceiving isolated chambers one from the other..

I know this sounds creepy...

[wikiwheel]

A tree falling in the woods could still be heard if your back was to it.

When a bear shits on the forrest floor, you could still step in it, even though the bear ducked behind a tree for privacy.

Just food for thought.


Mik

[scott]

Wow LIB I love it. Keep going.

[DrWhat]

Bessler's wheel DIDN'T turn. The room (and the audience) was spinning and the wheel was staying still! That way the wheel didn't need to have an internal mechanism at all!!

[bluesgtr44]

poltergeists.....


Steve

[LustInBlack]

Yeah please continue with those analogies.. I didn't get it..

[LustInBlack]

What I meant, was that observation is more than a human hearing or seeing something..

Interaction would be a better term ..

Granted this is quite unreal, but aren't you all seeking Bessler's wheel, a perpetual motion machine which is by all known standard stupid, impossible and illusionary!?


Awhah .. Bessler mechanism is a big contracted spring ! ..

[Ant]

Awhah .. Bessler mechanism is a big contracted spring ! ..

Hoorah!!!

[rlortie]

I am rather biased to believe that Bessler's wheel turned, but what was turning it and hidden inside was not a wheel.

Ralph

[Ant]

I was referring to something like this - rather than a wheel inside.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/844995/gr ... 8_squares/

[rlortie]

Mik,

When a bear shits on the forest floor, you could still step in it, even though the bear ducked behind a tree for privacy.

Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear, and like most bears he slept in his bear skin I am told. When I slept in my bear skin, I caught a h--l of a cold.

This did not set well with me, so I shaved Fuzzy Wuzzy of his hair.

Now Fuzzy Wuzzy has no hair, so fuzzy Wuzzy is not so fuzzy was he.

Ralph

[LustInBlack]

Scott, can you lock this or move this to off-topic?!

Thanks..

[rlortie]

LIB,

Yes I am sorry for adding to the nonsense of this thread. But on the other hand for me the whole thread from the start has has been irrelevant to subject matter and "Off Topic is the proper place for for such material.

Ralph

[Gregory]

Is it possible that his wheel only turns when you DON'T see the mechanism !?

Hey, good!

Maybe Bessler's wheel was only an illusionist trick (without Mr. Tesla! :) and everybody eaten it?


On the other hand, your idea reminds me of probability theory for some reason...
Is it possible that his wheels directly & straightforwardly involved some kind of pure, raw, abstract, standard, yet ingenious mathematical principle right on our level of physical reality?

Or it was just another version of the magical ark of the covenant! 8]