Selling a working wheel!!!

[peter1983]

Now that I have your attention down to business. :)

Long time reader first time poster.

I have tried the search function and have had no success in finding the info I require.

How would people (In Australia) go about announcing a working wheel and actually selling the wheel to the highest bidder. would it be easier to make a quick buck? or to get a patent and really earn some money?

I am not to familiar with patents and think it would be easier to just hand over the invention for a large large sum of money and sign some disclosure forms n stuff and be done with it.

BTW how much would a working wheel be worth anyway. has anyone worked that out? or is everyone first trying to solve the problem then decide how to actually make money off it :)

[DrWhat]

2 billion should cover it, although it's worth trillions if you make it out alive ;-)

[peter1983]

I would be happy with 1 billion :). do you think the Australian government would pay 1 Billion for a working wheel that produces a lot of power?

But this is a serious topic. My father in law is a few months away from completing his wheel. 2 years in the making it is a site to behold. so simple really. just a few more touches and its ready for its maiden voyage. but we are now starting to talk about what next once it works. we are kinda stumped. :)

so I would really like to know. what channels to take. who to talk to. would the government be truly interested? or just sell it to some petroleum company and let them throw it on the pile of Perpetual motion wheels they have already bought. ;)

[Bessler007]

My agency is prepared to pay 1.2 billion usd. Collect all the receipts, drawings, pictures and any other associated paperwork of the design. We will make travel arrangements to a secure, private location probably somewhere in Istanbul.

[peter1983]

HA....HA... isn't anyone taking my thread seriously?

I guess I will figure it out with my father in law ourselves. we are not going to rush in and take the first offer either. we want the right price. and are prepared to wait for it.

what testing parameters have to be met in order to show the world it works?

[Bessler007]

Ok, Peter, you win. I'll take you seriously. One test of power for the wheel is to have someone that weighs a good 200 pounds grab it while it's spinning. If the wheel can throw them over it and make them crap their pants it's a winner.

what testing parameters have to be met in order to show the world it works?

[Bessler007]

Ok, Peter, this time I'm really going to take you seriously. :)

Think of any single discovery over the course of human history that has changed the way we look at reality. There aren't many. We have applied discovery and invented much more than we have discovered fundamental truths of our reality.

A gravity powered wheel is a fundamental scientific discovery. It isn't merely an invention.

So you come sauntering onto a forum of hardened cranks suffering from perpetual motion syndrome due to a lifetime of trying to make this discovery saying...

My father in law is a few months away from completing his wheel. 2 years in the making it is a site to behold.

...and you want to be taken seriously.

There aren't just a few researchers that have been in your exact position. That position is 'a few months away from a working wheel.' I'm sorry Peter but it's so hard to take you seriously. I'm trying.

[rlortie]

Peter,

Bessler requested a one time payment for his invention. IMO their were three reasons for this. First is because it was so simple that once revealed everyone and the their dog could build one. The second reason is that Patent laws in Germany at the time left a lot to be desired. The third is because the wheel contained nothing that had not already been around for hundreds of years and would be considered un-patentable. That only leaves you with the concept of/or usable application.

You cannot patent a wheel, nor a weight, no better than you can patten a wheelbarrow, a concept that has existed before 1500 BC. For that matter a cylindric weight can be traced to 2,500 BC.

My plan would be to go for an international patent. This patent would explain in detail the requirements of the the basic concept and only include what was necessary to cover my butt!

I would not sell the patent rights to anyone. I would seek investment money to construct the device and set up numbers of them to produce electricity that would be sold back to the utility company's on a watt hour basis.

Another approach would be to lease them to individuals for domestic use, and and collect royalties back from the utilitiy company for power not consumed by y the leaser.

I would maintain my own company and employee people to service, maintain and monitor each machine in service.

Each unit would be sealed and require specialized tools and experience to open for service. On the outside would be a sign reading "do not open, no consumer expendable items enclosed. If this should be ignored and the proper steps not taken the machine would fall apart before one could scrutinize the operation.

As for "Proof of Principle" I would hook a generator or alternator to it, with a volt and amperage meters wired accordingly. You would also have to install a small battery to excite the generator upon start up. Once excited this battery could be removed from te circuit.

Ralph

[KAS]

I think the best bet would be to claim the intellectual rights to the design. That way, a concept can be patented as opposed to an actual design.

You would have to tread carefully though.

There are Japanese and Chinese intellectual patents already logged that may cover your invention.

For instance, There is a patent for a "Gravity powered rotating inertia system with weight and levers" already registered.

This clever sole has claimed the rights to just about every gravity wheel design there has ever been - without inventing or discovering a damn thing!


Its a minefield!

Kas

[AB Hammer]

Well I don't know the best way either, but talking with the US patent office, they told me. The best documentation you can have is a private or better a public demonstration. West Minchum (the one who got me started) and I are planning a public demonstration showing the ones that are opened sourced how they work and then showing the powerhouse ones (of course when finished) with covers to hide how they work. This should eliminate any fraud accusations. And of course invite all the media we can. Having the Mayor, News editor,city fathers, ect. to sign off on the hidden ones for even more protection. We are hoping to make this show by christmas when I finish the ones I am building and the 4 ft version of Besslers wheel which I have already posted. And of course do a youtoob video as well.

I hope this information helps, but when we do this we have to take how the chips fall, good or bad, but most likely good.

PS
The Chinese one should be no problem for international law. I believe will make his patent void due to all of the old drawings and what he described are not his, thou it may only hold up in Chinese court. The Chinese don't honor any outside patents anyway, as far as I know. So you can't stop it either.

[fredos]

A big think that a lot of persons forget is that an invention that could
induce some problems of national security is all the time taken for military purposes and the inventor is requested to be silent.

In that case, the inventor can't get royalties of his invention.

I think that a gravity wheel match this case.

[P-Motion]

Peter,
The reality of it is the inventor won't make much if anything.
Someone with financial backing will "improve" the idea and a new patent will be granted.

Jim

Now that I have your attention down to business. :)

Long time reader first time poster.

I have tried the search function and have had no success in finding the info I require.

How would people (In Australia) go about announcing a working wheel and actually selling the wheel to the highest bidder. would it be easier to make a quick buck? or to get a patent and really earn some money?

I am not to familiar with patents and think it would be easier to just hand over the invention for a large large sum of money and sign some disclosure forms n stuff and be done with it.

BTW how much would a working wheel be worth anyway. has anyone worked that out? or is everyone first trying to solve the problem then decide how to actually make money off it :)

[AB Hammer]

P motion

If you are a one time inventer that could happen, if you are a multi inventer those companies will try to draw you in to make the improvements for them. Which would be a little better than being left out. But! the differences would have to be distinctive and that may be a bit harder than you think, for them to steal in this case, not to mention changes don't always mean improvement.

[coylo]

But this is a serious topic. My father in law is a few months away from completing his wheel. 2 years in the making it is a site to behold. so simple really. just a few more touches and its ready for its maiden voyage. but we are now starting to talk about what next once it works

...same old story, sounds like you are getting ahead of yourself.

[P-Motion]

AB,
As far as Bessler's Wheel goes, could be said its' been in publication.
And the USPTO has already demontrated that it is willing to not allow any patents that could possibly control a source of energy.
You could possibly patenet a toy, but not much else.

P motion

If you are a one time inventer that could happen, if you are a multi inventer those companies will try to draw you in to make the improvements for them. Which would be a little better than being left out. But! the differences would have to be distinctive and that may be a bit harder than you think, for them to steal in this case, not to mention changes don't always mean improvement.