and please report it, i am unable, it look like you can do it on the cheap, i know a few members here have a volt meter, i dont, and cant get the materials yet.
here take a look, if you can replicate it, its worth your effort.
a free energy experiment to demonstrate the Bearen motinless
electric energy generator principles as a free energy device.
http://www.geocities.com/tomkar2003/fre ... riment.doc
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If it was worth replicating, others would have done it by now....
http://www.explorepub.com/articles/bear ... unity.html
http://www.explorepub.com/articles/bear ... unity.html
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you would think so wouldent you, but i dont take the consensus reality word for any thing, and this experiement is new so i dont think any body has yet...
have you tried it?
thats a great link by the way i have seen that before.
have you tried it?
thats a great link by the way i have seen that before.
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Why should I?epistemologicide wrote:have you tried it?
I'm concentrating my time and resources on the best documented PM device of all - Bessler's wheel.
If you believe these other claimants have a viable device, then why don't you take their word for it? Why not give them all your money so they can develop it to it's full potential?
Or don't you trust what they are presenting?
I get the impression that you just want everybody else to do the work for you. With no effort on your part.
Are you just a cheerleader, or do you actually do anything?
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if you concentrate all your time and resources on bessler then why bother to critisise me on providing infomation that might be helpfull to another.
some advice..why dont you keep your shit to your self. some of us are interested in the meg, i have some pms from people that state so, and this bit of infomation is NEW, and easily axcessable, as opposed to your idea of throwing money at them
this is aimed to provide an experiemnt to be able to see a principle in it to VERIFY the operation of the meg or help explain a resonate theory.
what a useless consideration you state, 'why dont you throw monety at them', when i provided a way to test a principle first.
i am unable to test it now, but if some one else is, ie;they have transformers and other things needed, then they can test it and win, i dont get any thing out of it, how are they testing it souly for me?
dumbass
mate, i have infomation sent to me from a person that has replicated the bessler wheel and am in along side with another person currently replicating and building the working principle now. for every one else he has already posted his ideas on the board, so no need to ask.
and i have only been here for a few weeks, what has YOUR ATTITUDE GOTTEN?
i dont think your even smart enough to be a cheerleader, and should reflect on your attiude before trying to converse with others that provide infomation and discuss issues.
its better to be despised by those that are not my friends than disliked by the worthy , and I MAKE the choice thats relative for myself.-epistemologicide
some advice..why dont you keep your shit to your self. some of us are interested in the meg, i have some pms from people that state so, and this bit of infomation is NEW, and easily axcessable, as opposed to your idea of throwing money at them
this is aimed to provide an experiemnt to be able to see a principle in it to VERIFY the operation of the meg or help explain a resonate theory.
what a useless consideration you state, 'why dont you throw monety at them', when i provided a way to test a principle first.
i am unable to test it now, but if some one else is, ie;they have transformers and other things needed, then they can test it and win, i dont get any thing out of it, how are they testing it souly for me?
dumbass
mate, i have infomation sent to me from a person that has replicated the bessler wheel and am in along side with another person currently replicating and building the working principle now. for every one else he has already posted his ideas on the board, so no need to ask.
and i have only been here for a few weeks, what has YOUR ATTITUDE GOTTEN?
i dont think your even smart enough to be a cheerleader, and should reflect on your attiude before trying to converse with others that provide infomation and discuss issues.
its better to be despised by those that are not my friends than disliked by the worthy , and I MAKE the choice thats relative for myself.-epistemologicide
re: can anybody try this beardon principle experiment
Hi epistemologicide,
Jeez mate, that's a bit rough. I can understand MrTim's frustration. The problem with having little to no technical ability is that you can not be technically critical of the claims put forth by others. Faith alone is rarely a good analytical tool.
Being critical is the correct approach IMO. Without that, sooner or later you will be someone's dinner. Making choices for yourself is one thing but just mind who you convince to go to dinner with you :)
PS: Bearden has never been able to prove his claims with a working OU device. Yet he has spent decades claiming success and breakthrough in one form or another. Isn't that interesting? Why do you think that is?
Jeez mate, that's a bit rough. I can understand MrTim's frustration. The problem with having little to no technical ability is that you can not be technically critical of the claims put forth by others. Faith alone is rarely a good analytical tool.
Being critical is the correct approach IMO. Without that, sooner or later you will be someone's dinner. Making choices for yourself is one thing but just mind who you convince to go to dinner with you :)
PS: Bearden has never been able to prove his claims with a working OU device. Yet he has spent decades claiming success and breakthrough in one form or another. Isn't that interesting? Why do you think that is?
re: can anybody try this beardon principle experiment
Bearden is off 'chasing the wild dragon'......a chase that would have caused even the legendary king arthur to have hawked excalibur for a horse to make it back alive on. In other words, much disinfo or willful ignorance goin on.
Bearden is serving his country well, however.
An Ex-Colonel on Active duty, you might say.
Bearden is serving his country well, however.
An Ex-Colonel on Active duty, you might say.
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that's a bit stupid...MrTim wrote:If it was worth replicating, others would have done it by now....
Do we really have to go over all the "people:)" who have said such stupid things...
You tell'em... Epi...epistemologicide wrote:dumbass
"A man with a new idea is a crank until he succeeds."~ M. Twain.
Re: re: can anybody try this beardon principle experiment
Hi Epi,epistemologicide wrote:mate, i have infomation sent to me from a person that has replicated the bessler wheel and am in along side with another person currently replicating and building the working principle now. for every one else he has already posted his ideas on the board
Do you use the word "replicated" accurately i.e. he has actually built a working model & is advising you & your mate "how to build it" (sent you plans etc), or do you mean has a plan/concept/principle that you & your mate are building under his guidance from a set of drawings or plans? Is this someone different from Georg ?
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re: can anybody try this beardon principle experiment
Bearden's web site is too busy promoting his books rather than giving an actual (live) demonstration on how his device works. I presume not one of books explains in detail on how to construct a working model..?? if not, then I suppose it can be construed as grossly missleading to the point of fraud.Bearden has never been able to prove his claims with a working device
Seeing the payment choices Beardon gives to his customers, Mastercard, American express and so forth, really puts a smile on one's face...Lol
Makes me believe it's a guy desperate to make a quick buck.
"Strike when the iron is hot"
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hi guys,
yes ovyyus i agree, exactly sevich and ALL including mrtimm, before going and paying money for the final secret of free energy, or any other stuff from beardon.. i would try this experiment first, the home page it is on calims to have a much more condensed and 'readable' version of his resonate theory.
thats what this is aiming to demonstrate,the principle and resonate theory behind the 'unity effect' ... its surly the cheapest and easiest way to CHECK over unity by a magnet that i have found. in a few weeks ill go to dick smiths and another electrical places to get what i need, and post some photos.
here is the yahoo group where the person who created the home page has. if any body thinks about trying this, go there cause there is some advice on the tinkering and some explaination, look for free energy experiement post, i have already posted all the skeptical stuff in it, and had it answered.
yahoo group:Free_Energy_Research
home page whee the experiment is on
http://www.geocities.com/tomkar2003/
fletch, my study so far has a positive understanding, im told not to get you too excited :D but hey my advice 'for the moment' study georgs ideas carefully. and look at his home page.
stay tuned all.
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this was given to me directly by the author
quote:The experiment was to demonstrate the resonance free energy potential. How it is made, for the Bearden and Berdini unit comparisons. That is--- it explains why their machines work.
Bearden you know has a 65 page paper on a negative resistor theory that is difficult to apply. Resonate theory is very straight forward. More applicable to larger scale models. Specifically resonate magnetic fields can be produced, and are available to do work. That is over unity. That's why Beardens machine works.
The output is a factor of so many variables, transformer size, losses, magnetic strength--- that the evidence of power creation was the focus of this paper. It is as simple that. I dumped the output into a resistor load simply to measure an output increase.
I'll put together a dual 1:1 transformer model (as shown in the paper) for power generation some time soon, and publish the figures if you don't beat me too it out of curiosity. -end quote.
yes ovyyus i agree, exactly sevich and ALL including mrtimm, before going and paying money for the final secret of free energy, or any other stuff from beardon.. i would try this experiment first, the home page it is on calims to have a much more condensed and 'readable' version of his resonate theory.
thats what this is aiming to demonstrate,the principle and resonate theory behind the 'unity effect' ... its surly the cheapest and easiest way to CHECK over unity by a magnet that i have found. in a few weeks ill go to dick smiths and another electrical places to get what i need, and post some photos.
here is the yahoo group where the person who created the home page has. if any body thinks about trying this, go there cause there is some advice on the tinkering and some explaination, look for free energy experiement post, i have already posted all the skeptical stuff in it, and had it answered.
yahoo group:Free_Energy_Research
home page whee the experiment is on
http://www.geocities.com/tomkar2003/
fletch, my study so far has a positive understanding, im told not to get you too excited :D but hey my advice 'for the moment' study georgs ideas carefully. and look at his home page.
stay tuned all.
EDIT
this was given to me directly by the author
quote:The experiment was to demonstrate the resonance free energy potential. How it is made, for the Bearden and Berdini unit comparisons. That is--- it explains why their machines work.
Bearden you know has a 65 page paper on a negative resistor theory that is difficult to apply. Resonate theory is very straight forward. More applicable to larger scale models. Specifically resonate magnetic fields can be produced, and are available to do work. That is over unity. That's why Beardens machine works.
The output is a factor of so many variables, transformer size, losses, magnetic strength--- that the evidence of power creation was the focus of this paper. It is as simple that. I dumped the output into a resistor load simply to measure an output increase.
I'll put together a dual 1:1 transformer model (as shown in the paper) for power generation some time soon, and publish the figures if you don't beat me too it out of curiosity. -end quote.
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Sevich, your post about Bearden disturbs me. Who are you quoting here?? What makes you think his MEG does not work?Sevich wrote:Bearden has never been able to prove his claims with a working device
How much details do you want on how to build the MEG?? Do you want Bearden to go around the country hawking his ideas like Newman?Sevich wrote:Bearden's web site is too busy promoting his books rather than giving an actual (live) demonstration on how his device works. I presume not one of books explains in detail on how to construct a working model..?? if not, then I suppose it can be construed as grossly missleading to the point of fraud.
This is Bearden's basic MEG design which was originaly posted on the DoE web site, later removed and posted other places. It's a long 69 page PDF file.
http://www.help4all.de/energy/MEGpaper.pdf
Here is my easy viewing site posting his MEG patent...
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/Patents/MEGPatent.htm
Here is Naudin's replication of the MEG...
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm
Just because Bearden et al. hasn't yet built a full scale production model does not mean the device does not work. Besides, Bearden is an old man with a heart condition. And you want him putting on public exhibitions for your edification?
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come on guys,
jim has provided enough valid infomation to inspire the curiousity of this SIMPLE little cheap experiment.
and this can save us alot of skepticism, this expriment can show some thing, so lets not worry about speculation and just try the dam thing :D
jim has provided enough valid infomation to inspire the curiousity of this SIMPLE little cheap experiment.
and this can save us alot of skepticism, this expriment can show some thing, so lets not worry about speculation and just try the dam thing :D
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Hi jim_ich
I see you are an unquestionable loyal supporter of Bearden!
I don't supose you've built a working device? IF NOT....WHY NOT ?
I think he (Bearden) is getting a free $ ride of the few measly crumbs that Mr Sweet left behind after he died. (May he rest in peace)
The bottom line is that one can make more money out of parading misinfomation than actualy presenting it directly as the working truth.
This suits Beardan well.
I see you are an unquestionable loyal supporter of Bearden!
I don't supose you've built a working device? IF NOT....WHY NOT ?
I think he (Bearden) is getting a free $ ride of the few measly crumbs that Mr Sweet left behind after he died. (May he rest in peace)
The bottom line is that one can make more money out of parading misinfomation than actualy presenting it directly as the working truth.
This suits Beardan well.
re: can anybody try this beardon principle experiment
Hi epistemologicide,
Old, old, old stuff - been there and done that for what feels like a century. These 'masters of OU' have been around long enough to know exactly how to push your buttons without stepping over the line. You'd be surprised just how tight it is on top of OU hill.
IMO, it's really, really simple. If someone makes a claim of success, they should be able to demonstrate it. I don't mean some cheap trick experiment that preys on limited 'sucker' knowledge but rather an honest demonstration that proves their claim. If they can't, then something must be wrong. If they fall short repeatedly, over and over again for decades, then more than something is wrong. There's a lot more than something wrong here.
History is allowed to repeat itself over and over because a) people forget and b) a new sucker is born every minute of every glorious day.
PS: Joppa, you're best guess is a conspiracy theory? Wrong.
Old, old, old stuff - been there and done that for what feels like a century. These 'masters of OU' have been around long enough to know exactly how to push your buttons without stepping over the line. You'd be surprised just how tight it is on top of OU hill.
IMO, it's really, really simple. If someone makes a claim of success, they should be able to demonstrate it. I don't mean some cheap trick experiment that preys on limited 'sucker' knowledge but rather an honest demonstration that proves their claim. If they can't, then something must be wrong. If they fall short repeatedly, over and over again for decades, then more than something is wrong. There's a lot more than something wrong here.
History is allowed to repeat itself over and over because a) people forget and b) a new sucker is born every minute of every glorious day.
PS: Joppa, you're best guess is a conspiracy theory? Wrong.