have a working wheel? i have a customer right now

[epistemologicide]

and i hope this motivates others to work on racers wheel because if we get it finished and working in time this is where we could road test it.

a certain hotel resort in fiji (which my fahter manages)has mountains with winds in many directions, the power needed im told is 235 kva constant

he has an idea for a windmill, apparently they the resort got showed a picture of one working in the middle east, and equated the price of it to be around 340,000 australian. ridiculous

here is the recent original message i have.

At present we need 180-200 kva constant for 34 hotel rooms/fridges/kitchen/diesel plant/tennis court and 18,000 Btu air cons. However I purchased 3 cat generators (one for day swap over for a night-one on maintenance) that are rated at 208 kva, and 250 kva respectively. I went bigger as it proposed to build another 4 air con hotel rooms here in the near future. And also the gen sets are more fuel efficient running at 65%/75% load

With the wind mill idea we would probably need two wind mills facing different directions that would be capable of producing 220-235 kva constant. We first need to install a wind vein on the top of the mountain to record wind speeds and directions for one year to research where to position them, and do mathematical equation. How ever I think we would need a small back up generator to keep us in prolonged times of zero wind.


A lot of research needs to be done however I am convinced this is the way to go as diesel at present costs us 21,000 per month for the resort. 2 wind mills would pay for themselves in 2/3 years plus the island smell factor would have gone.-end

or a wheel would suffice, no one is going to steal your idea, and i have had many people contact me from yahoo groups with claimed over unity devices that want me to sign an agreement, bofore showing me,i am happy to do so.

so you have a choice if you have a wheel, or if you dont, i hope this encourages you a bit.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi epistemologicide,
with a Besslerwheel you can't produce 235 kva constant. This is only possible, when you use a mechanical device, which uses centrifugal force.
If I have the feeling that you are really interested in such a device, then I will sent you the construction of the centrifugal device. My email is
kuenstler.gmbh@t-online.de
or have a look to my homepage http://www.kuenstler-energie.de

I am back in the office late thursday evening.

The future has begun

Georg

[epistemologicide]

hi georg!! great news, yes please send me the infomation.

i have translated the page and am sending the whole thing along with detals to my father who is the manager of the resort.

i hope this may translate to a success story from this great board.

please if any one else has infomation please do not hesitate to contact me or post here, it would be great when the power for the resort is being featured in part of the tv special on a major channel planed in the future to expose over unity devices, for my alt energy company (in the works) from which i could expose further and discuss devices of this nature.

[epistemologicide]

sorry i should mention that my email is ashtweth@hotmail.com

plus this is the resort

http://www.matamanoa.com/

[epistemologicide]

Announcement

hello all, i am pleased to Announce that the resort has chossen its system of energy production and plans to soon include the new technology.

FIRST OF ALL id like to thank georg, and beslerwheeel.com for providing a great way to communicate and educate awareness on the most important elements for our future of survival, scott you have done a great service, and to all dabblers here, your spirits are un breakable, and YOUR energy is what keeps things alive!!!

as you all know i hope to be a platform to help present and apply this technology for all concerned. my alt enrgy company wll be organised soon, and is set up to provide all its money to help the environment only (non profit)

no need to be affraid of 'them' as i have support and interest from the australian government, and this company will be the platform i hope to errect to show case and provide an outlet for the technology to be implimented. even self sustaining mechanisms.

i am still urging all people involved that wanted me to keep them updated on the company to contact me, and let me help you where i can, and dont expect me to ask for any thing in return.

soon we will honeslty be able to say that bessler lives!!!

once again bravo to besslerwheel.com and to georg!!! and you all.

regards

epistemologicide

[ovyyus]

Hi epistemologicide,

Congratulations to Georg for solving the problem and finally demonstrating a working wheel!

I can only assume that by making such an announcement you've actually seen this machine in operation. May I ask, without asking you to disclose any technical details of the operating principle, what is it's dimension and loaded/unloaded speed?

Once again, well done Georg for beating the odds.

[epistemologicide]

hi ovyyus

i never stated that 'georg has a working wheel' and it is not my place to disclose that even if he did have one. i did not state that georg has a working wheel, and never would

i merly am stating that the resort has choosen to persue his technology of a wind turbine, which is bssed on centerfugal forces, all is available at his home page.

which appears to be down at the moment sorry.

[ovyyus]

Hi epistemologicide,

Sorry, obviously my mistake :) But it certainly did sound like you were refering to a working wheel when you stated...

soon we will honeslty be able to say that bessler lives!!!

once again bravo to besslerwheel.com and to georg!!! and you all.

Silly me.

[Sevich]

Hi Ovyyus

I'm kind of curious to know what are your thoughts on all of Georg's contraptions ?
Have you toyed with any of his designs ?

[ovyyus]

Hi Sevich,

From what I can gather Georg hopes that some form of resonant oscillation might be the key. That may be so, I don't know, but I do think that any machine capable of doing work will have a defined energy input - whatever that may be.

I do not see how excess energy can result from spring oscillation. Springs obviously don't output anything beyond what is put into them, less when losses are accounted for.

Perhaps Georg believes that resonant systems are capable of generating excess energy without coupling to a source of energy? Where is the source? That makes me sceptical about this line of investigation, but I'm always willing to consider a demonstration or, dare I say it, a reasoned arguement :)

[joppa]

Ovvyus, are you an active builder or purely a theorist? You seem to have an active mind that is capable of putting 3D programs like....'Working Model' to shame. This observation is made according to certain evidentiary contents in your usually carefully chosen statements. If you are not actively involved in physical modelling......it seems a shame. Bessler's mind must've been keenly honed after so much model building. To have such a firm mental grasp on which forces to exert where and how much after witnessing so many permutations of physical principles in action! I seem to recall an experiment involving a 3 groups of people. I am sure my numbers are off a bit but you'll get the idea. 1 group was told to shoot baskets from the free throw line 30 minutes a day for a week. Group 2 was told to visualize shooting and making baskets from the free throw line for 30 minutes a week. Group 3, the control group, was told nothing.....merely to show up a week later. One can of course, draw from the depths of their own 'experiential pool' on the answer to this one. Group one did the best, making the highest percentage of shots. Group 3......the lowest. It is group 2 we are most interested in.....they did very close statistically, to group one. Bessler was able to draw on his extensive experience to provide his intuition the necessary ingredients to nudge him to success.


I can ascertain from my limited experience, and from being recognized by others as: 'out standing in my field', that where one VERY devoted man evidently succeeded......certainly from a large group of assorted neophytes can be cobbled together a small group of devotees. Those with enough devotion to be locked together in a small castle room with sundry odds and ends until the wheel is reborne! I am game.....who's with me! I would certainly be just as content for some to steal my idea, leave me out here....in my field, and forge ahead with great confidence and conviction. Surely this odd lot can be sifted to produce some who would climb their personal Matterhorn tied to several of their trusted peers? Surely I am not alone in seeing all the necessary elements contained in this group to amount to one Johann! Internet be damned!.....One dedicated, geographically and temporally contiguous team. The benefits are obvious. But are they practical.....where does one find THAT kind of devotion in our day? I am positive that it wouldn't take long at all to find a solution in this manner.......I would bet my slice of pie on it. I own a movie on VHS called 'Escape of the birdmen' obtained fairly recently in an effort to relive a part of my youth when I watched the show originally. It is based on a true story about the prisoners of Colditz Castle and the benefits provided by an intimate team effort to build a glider to freedom. Some of you are prisoners of 'Bessler's Castle'.......would that I see you make a truly devoted team effort to escape.

[ovyyus]

Well, that has to be a record response from your joppa handle, in length at least.

To answer, yes I do construct. I have always enjoyed transforming ideas into tangibles - nothing beats the reality of actually stubbing your toe :)

I think you're quite right about the problem solving abilities of intensive group effort. But extraordinary effort typically results from extraordinary need and the vision (and resources) of a singular mind or higher purpose.

IMO, the prospect of individual, personal gain will continue to keep a solution out of general reach, just as it did in Bessler's time. "The doom of men is that they forget"

[joppa]

I am certainly not averse to being hosted on the island of Fiji at the resort mentioned by Epi......(lol?) for what I perceive to be a relatively short duration to realizing a long held dream for some of you.

Ovvyus, you stated:

"I think you're quite right about the problem solving abilities of intensive group effort. But extraordinary effort typically results from extraordinary need and the vision (and resources) of a singular mind or higher purpose."


Certainly you do not make inference here that you, yourself, are devoid of 'extraordinary need and vision'. And I can clearly see that you have appreciation for a higher purpose. Now, to honestly identify the single most important driving force behind one's interest in solving the 'Bessler paradox'....If it is simply to aid mankind and with the residual hope, rather than expectation, of modest personal gain.....then I am quite willing to freely share my personal insights.

Those truly willing and able to join a close knit band of 'Bessler's brothers'
in semi-seclusion for a relatively short duration, contact me for more details.




Great visions are born to be shared.



Sincerely,


Mitch Robinson

[Jonathan]

What, joppa=mitch? Are you joking and I don't get it?

[joppa]

Recent events have forced me to make certain realizations regarding my personal responsiblities....both to myself and others. I no longer fear public scrutiny.....in fact, I find myself able to welcome it. My personal thanks to Ovvyus and whomever else knew of my identity and allowed me to post in pseudo-anonymity.