Are you optimistic ?

[Clarkie]

Thanks Scott but be ready for the come back as they will try, its what turns them on.

They were obviously bullied at school, its their way of flexing muscle

Pete.

[rlortie]

Scott,

I add my "thank you" to John and Pete's.

Since your post I have received both e-mail and phone calls, regarding your actions. Parties wishing to know what other names they used. I am not in a position to substantiate any nor do I see any benefit by knowing.

I feel that it is your forum and your right to ban anyone that does not adhere to policy, or simply become obnoxious.

Ralph

[scott]

Well Ralph I recommend you don't get involved. For what it's worth it was a little evidence and a strong suspicion of the former (previously banned members) and *plenty* of evidence of the latter (simply obnoxious).

I appreciate everyone's support. I did not take the decision lightly but I had had enough. Hopefully now it will feel a little less like trying to manage a kindergarten class around here.

-Scott

P.S. Graham, sorry about your thread! In my opinion though it has served an important dual purpose by allowing me to do some much needed house cleaning. If anyone wants to discuss the bannings, please start a new thread in Off-Topic.

And now back to Graham's thread: are you optimistic? I am now more optimistic than ever. At least moderating the site will be a lot less annoying.

[Jon J Hutton]

Teacher I have to go to the bathroom......

Sorry just couldn't resist.

I sent this to a couple of members but wanted to get input from everyone on this. I have a child growing up in this world now and hope that it will be a better place when she gets older. It won't unless we come up with a solution soon....imho

Bessler said ""A great craftsman would be that man who can 'lightly' cause a heavy weight to fly upwards! Who can make a pound-weight rise as 4 ounces fall, or 4 pounds rise as 16 ounces fall. If he can sort that out, the motion will perpetuate itself. But if he can't, then his hard work shall be all in vain." - pg 295 " Thanks John Collins

This is possible if you use water.

I have done this several times in my kitchen but I am not sure if a weight would be considered water.

There is a saying you can float a battleship in your bathtub....any way I would like your input on the idea below.

One cone holds another cone just a bit smaller. If you put a pound weight in the inside cone and add water in between the two cones you will see that it only took 1/4 pound to raise the inside cone. This also means that a quarter pound can raise a pound with no laws of physics broken. Hmmm now how do we put this in a machine. Besslers drawing showed him trying the same thing...check out drawings 81 -90. Hope this will spark an idea.

JJH

[ovyyus]

Good job Scott!

[graham]

Scott, I never would have believed that my simple question would wreak so much havoc. I was starting to feel a bit guilty.
Your house is much cleaner now,thanks.

Graham

[Fletcher]

Bessler said ""A great craftsman would be that man who can 'lightly' cause a heavy weight to fly upwards! Who can make a pound-weight rise as 4 ounces fall, or 4 pounds rise as 16 ounces fall. If he can sort that out, the motion will perpetuate itself. But if he can't, then his hard work shall be all in vain." - pg 295 " Thanks John Collins

[he] shall be called a great craftsman/artist,
who can easily throw a heavy thing high,
and when one pound falls a quarter,
it shoots four pounds four quarters high. &c.
Who of this can speculate,
will soon the motion perpetuate,

Jon .. FYI, above is Stewarts translation of the same Bessler tract - Rainer also added that specifically there are no units used which makes its meaning intentionally ambiguous - the information that is provided is that one pound & then later four pounds have directions & that in one direction the weight is accelerated quickly.

This is possible if you use water.

I have done this several times in my kitchen but I am not sure if a weight would be considered water.

Water has mass, therefore if contained within a structure or vessel it can be considered a weight - it has the added advantage of not being shape restricted [so that it can 'flow' to change CoM] & can develop pressure gradients if exposed to atmospheric pressure.

There is a saying you can float a battleship in your bathtub....any way I would like your input on the idea below.

One cone holds another cone just a bit smaller. If you put a pound weight in the inside cone and add water in between the two cones you will see that it only took 1/4 pound to raise the inside cone. This also means that a quarter pound can raise a pound with no laws of physics broken. Hmmm now how do we put this in a machine. Besslers drawing showed him trying the same thing...check out drawings 81 -90. Hope this will spark an idea. JJH

I would say this is the theory of hydraulics & buoyancy, both interesting subjects in themselves. Many threads here discuss both in detail as does the HyperPhysics web page.

Here is a related thought experiment to your cones to ponder - imagine a wine glass the size of a swimming pool on a long thin stem - fill it with water - the stem will support the weight of the water & it will be perfectly balanced with the CoM directly over the stem - now place a row boat in the wine glass - it will displace its weight in water raising the level of water in the wine glass - but average density of water plus boat [at the water line] will remain the same as water alone [due to upthrust of water on the surface area of the hull] - now let the boat drift to the edge of the wine glass - the wine glass will remain perfectly balanced because no leverage has been applied around a fulcrum or tipping point [the middle of the stem] - now sink the boat until it is on the bottom to one side of the glass - now its density is greater than the water & it will apply leverage & the water line level will drop - the only trouble is we have to lift it back up to the surface again & bail it out to make it buoyant again which takes energy.

[rmd3]

Fletcher ( or anyone really ),

I'm extremely optimistic to see that the quarter and four quarters are unit less - opens the doors to more possibilities.

Is there a literal word-for-word translation. It doesn't have to make sense in English, just have each word translated accurately.

The unit-less quantities and the difference between translations such as 'causes' and 'throws' kind of makes one long for the source. I guess I'll have to type some German into a web translator... I just wish I knew enough German to find the right sentance in XLIII to start with... Ich habe kiene idea.

Gutten tag,
-Randall

[rmd3]

oh... duh! "Der wird en groBer..." ...how do I type German into a translation engine... where's the B (is that a double 's'? and umlout... I have a vertical umlout.... ":" but no horizontal one.

...oh man...

[rlortie]

Scott, I never would have believed that my simple question would wreak so much havoc. I was starting to feel a bit guilty.
Your house is much cleaner now,thanks.
Graham

I see no need for you to feel guilty about anything. It all started on page four with things going personal. By page six I had pretty much had my fill of 007's attitude and did a review of all his posts. I could not help but pull out the big guns with optimism in defense of those he was prodding. his overall attitude since joining was, in my books egotistic and distasteful.

If anyone is to blame I will happily carry the brunt of it. If anyone is recognized for bringing it to a conclusion I would be honored to be recognized for assisting. Now the flow of optimism can continue un-impeded.

My optimism is still high, and I reiterate my friendly challenge to JC and Jim_Mich as to who will win the brass ring.

Ralph

[Fletcher]

Randall .. or ... you could contact & ask Stewart to join his forum [as he's publicly invited members to do] & read them for yourself, word for word.

[scott]

oh... duh! "Der wird en groBer..." ...how do I type German into a translation engine... where's the B (is that a double 's'? and umlout... I have a vertical umlout.... ":" but no horizontal one.

...oh man...

Rmd3,
The German double-s or Eszett (ß) can be typed as two S's in a row. Any vowel with an umlaut can be typed as the vowel followed by an e.

E.g.
ü = ue
ä = ae
ö = oe

Hope this helps.
-Scott

[Clarkie]

Hey Ralph, don't forget me!!!

Materials ordered, building of the test model for the prime mover will commence after Cristmas.

I'm very optimistic on proving the theory, the working wheel will take a little longer.

Hope you all have a great Chritmas.

Pete.

[Stewart]

Randall .. or ... you could contact & ask Stewart to join his forum [as he's publicly invited members to do] & read them for yourself, word for word.

Randall - I've made you a member of my forum, so you should see an extra forum listed on the front page now (Stewart's Forum). Have a look in the AP chapter XLIII (43) topic and you'll see my translation in progress (not yet finalised), but also in there is a link to my translation-aid software which will give you a word-for-word translation.

Stewart

[rmd3]

Fletcher,
Thanks.
Scott,
Thanks.
Stewart,
Thanks.