Chilled Steel Bounce

[ovyyus]

Found this on the net and was wondering if anyone has any further information.

A demonstrative example of scientific
experiments withdrawn from science is
discovery # 13 "The knock power transfer
regularity" made on December, 18th, 1962,
which makes it possible to create a mechanical
"perpetual mobile". The experiment shows
that the conventional "knock theory" does not
work in practice: the bouncing energy of a
body after it has been knocked can be
higher than its energy before it has been
knocked.

Trying to get some recognition,
E. Aleksandrov, Doctor of Engineering
Science, made his demonstrative
experiment in front of many different
commissions: a chilled steel ball when
falling from a 10 m height onto a firmly
fixed chilled steel plate made a 14-15 m
high bounce. That was the notorious
'perpetual mobile' as it is. It went on like this
until somebody decided to explain the result
of the experiment by a metal lattice internal
energy. At once, everything was clear. Since
that moment the above mentioned principle
has been successfully employed in percussion
action machines. This principle can also be
used in simple electric power systems.

Ref: http://www.faraday.ru/14-6.pdf

[Oxygon]

this reminds me of a "glassy steel" article I saw in "popsci" mag.

I remember them demonstrating the properties of "glassy steel" when dropping a "glassy steel" ball from like 8 feet or soo unto a steel plate... and it bouncing for more than a few minutes...

Seems incredible to imagine steel bouncing(for soo long), but apperantly it true...

Maybe one could work this material into a PM machine...???

hmmm...

[Fletcher]

Ugh Oh - don't let Tinhead see this ! He's gonna cry :-)

[Tinhead]

Ugh Oh - don't let Tinhead see this ! He's gonna cry :-)

*sniff* already doing that.
I think what happens is .. every night when I sleep those green little buggers sneak into my bedroom, attach a thought sucker to my head, empty me out and send it to all of the others on the board!!!
YEP, that's it .. one of you guys is GREEN.

... should I wrap tinfoil around my head before I go to sleep???

[jim_mich]

... should I wrap tinfoil around my head before I go to sleep???

tinfoil ... tinhead ... hmmm ... is there a connection??

[epistemologicide]

i remember posting a resource from the intalek.com site of free energy and had a pdf, with an over balanced wheel from the author of faraday.ru

now ovvyos , you can email this guy, i would recomend that i was going to for you but you should :)

look on the greaterthings.com web page, i think his email is there, he was disputing a patent from some one else and sterling actuallly mailed him so it should all be on the web page

hope it helps mate

[Kirk]

Found this on the net and was wondering if anyone has any further information.

A demonstrative example of scientific
experiments withdrawn from science is
discovery # 13 "The knock power transfer
regularity" made on December, 18th, 1962,
which makes it possible to create a mechanical
"perpetual mobile". The experiment shows
that the conventional "knock theory" does not
work in practice: the bouncing energy of a
body after it has been knocked can be
higher than its energy before it has been
knocked.

Trying to get some recognition,
E. Aleksandrov, Doctor of Engineering
Science, made his demonstrative
experiment in front of many different
commissions:

a chilled steel ball when
falling from a 10 m height onto a firmly
fixed chilled steel plate made a 14-15 m
high bounce.

That was the notorious
'perpetual mobile' as it is. It went on like this
until somebody decided to explain the result
of the experiment by a metal lattice internal
energy. At once, everything was clear. Since
that moment the above mentioned principle
has been successfully employed in percussion
action machines. This principle can also be
used in simple electric power systems.

Ref: http://www.faraday.ru/14-6.pdf

I think the key to this is chilled---
a chilled steel ball when
falling from a 10 m height onto a firmly
fixed chilled steel plate made a 14-15 m
high bounce.

A steel plate at ambient won't do this. This we know.
As for the "glassy steel" supporting many bounces it just says the coefficient of elasticity was damn good. A magnet that is nonconductive dropped into a supporting field bounces a very long time as well. If the magnet is conductive eddy current bleeds the motion off.

Kirk

[Jonathan]

I too saw an article on glassy metal. Kirk is right, it can't make things bounce higher, just longer.
Some time ago Epi posted an exerpt from a pdf from that website, and it was full of nonsense, IIRC it was written by Alexander Frolov. I'm not stead fast in this, but I'm not very trusting of information from him or that website.

[ovyyus]

Yes Kirk, 'chilled' is what the article says. It implies a thermodynamic effect. I can find no other references to this experiment and was hoping someone might have more info on it or the story. Perhaps it is fiction, I don't know.

Glassy steel is unrelated.

[Furcurequs]

Here is the wayback machine's copy of the pdf file linked to in the original post. It no longer seems to be available on the site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20041018060 ... u/14-6.pdf

[ovyyus]

Thanks for the re-link, Dwayne.

If this Aleksandrov story is true then a chilled newton's cradle might show anomalous behavior? Although, a steel ball dropped from 10 Metres onto a rigid steel plate would create much higher impact force/heat compared to that of a newton's cradle.

Like the paperclip/string/magnet demonstration, I wonder if this supposed 'metal lattice internal energy' anomaly might be explained by a more down to earth cause. Perhaps water condensation on the chilled steel can disassociate/explode when subject to high enough force/heat at impact, thereby releasing additional 'anomalous' energy into the system?

Then again, perhaps Aleksandrov's chilled steel ball story is fiction? Given it's now 10 years on and still no evidence, that might be the correct answer.

[Fletcher]

I was thinking the same thing Bill - shock wave/cavitation from condensation vapourizing & heat generation.

See the "Pistol Shrimp" - very surprising force & temps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpheidae

Scroll down to "Snapping Effect" & read the heat generated in cavitation.

[ovyyus]

Maybe Aleksandrov was a fraud and coated his chilled steel balls in a thin layer of diesel? Maybe I should rephrase that.

[Furcurequs]

You're welcome for the re-link.

I feel the claim is rather dubious and at the same time simple enough to demonstrate that if there was anything to it we would have heard more about it by now.

So, I don't plan to go out of my way to test it. Now, come winter, if I happen to have my steel ball bearings on me and I stumble upon a nice steel plate somewhere and perhaps get stranded near it with nothing better to do...

The diesel fueled version, though, I could almost believe that. ;)

[Fletcher]

Or maybe condensation moisture is a water molecule of Hydrogen & Oxygen which explodes into steam vapour & pressure, or whatever, on high impact ?

So you'd need a centrifuge to create condensation from the atmosphere to coat surfaces.

I thought one of Bessler's quotes was always an interesting comment to make.

Paraphrased, his machine would merrily continue running in the dead of winter when all others were frozen solid.

He may well have been referring to water wheels or windmills etc, but for him even to draw attention to that distinction raised my eyebrows at the time.

Somewhere in his writings he couldn't have helped himself give something away, its human nature to let a secret out somehow.