Republican Debate

[rmd3]

Weeds are in the great outdoors and “The Great Outdoors,(nature)� is beautiful.
Gardens are a manipulation of mankind and mankind controls gardens.
No gardens, just nature and the weeds will blend in.

so...

Weeds won't be gone, they just won't be associated with any garden.

My point exactly.

[evgwheel]

Techstaff

A belief is very different to a religion in my opinion.
Believe = Opinion, consideration, possibility etc. and usually can be proven in time by technology, science and the future.
Where Religion= super natural power, will never be proven.

Almost all religions set a good standard and are similar in teachings.
A lot of people gain a lot of strength from their chosen religion and that is a good thing. A lot of people gain a lot of power and financial profit from a religion and that is sick, they are the ones who run the religions.

I believe this is right, until proven wrong.

[Techstuf]

http://rense.com/general79/brave.htm

[rmd3]

Techstuf,
digitaljez is right about the formation of the US.

The most effective way of helping religious people come to terms with reality seems to be to get them to read their own religious texts, cover to cover, with an open mind.

digitialjez,

The open mind is the key, and I'd say a reference to the interpreted meaning. Too often literal interpretations usurp the intended meaning of a text. It's when a supposed leader has taken a text into his/her own understanding which was unintended we run into big trouble. I think it is no coincidence that fundamentalists tend to be literalists.

Bombs and the Buddha statues in Afghanistan were around for a long time before the Taliban decided to introduce them to each other - why doesn't anyone ask why the leaders of the Muslims never destroyed those before? (rhetorical question - I don't want to spiral down another topic)

evgwheel,

I wholeheartedly agree that wordly gains at the expense of religion is totally sick.

[Techstuf]

Jez....You should not take this the wrong way, if that is possible, but I am praying now that God bless your heart.


It sorely needs a blessing, it appears to me.



Yahweh bless you in Yahshua, Jesus Christ



Mitch

[evgwheel]

Techstuf
Is there any significant in spacing your post with 3 lines in between sentences?

[digitaljez]

Techstuf leaves those lines free - one for the father, one for the son and one for holy ghost. Each one writes a magic message that only he can see telling him what to write next.

I seem to remember Techstuf's linespacing being queried before, a year or so back.

Thank you for judging my heart, Techstuf. Perhaps you can remind me of the text that comes to mind at this moment - something not, lest you be something or othered. I believe it is attributed to some bloke wearing a dress while he was standing on a mount. It is from one of the few worthwhile passages in an otherwise deplorable book.

[Techstuf]

Evgwheel,

Not really. However, now that you mention it, I'm sure it could be taken out of context to support someone's twisted, libelous assertion that I somehow support an atomic bomb detonation inside the U.S.


You see, this is how compromised individuals choose to rationalize villifying and attacking harmless, peace loving people. They won't join a beastly war machine, so by default these 'useless eaters' must support terrorism.


Ever notice how they always try and keep the focus on loner terrorists and small faction extremists real or imagined....while everyone is waking up to the sad fact that terrorism in it's worst form is sitting like a seven headed hydra in the living room? Central government run amok!


Power corrupts indeed!


Having served in the armed forces as a Special Weapons Security Specialist, I can truly identify with the soldier seen here:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0337116199



Love thy neighbor as thyself, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....


Such revolutionary concepts! To some, I guess.


But you know what they say:


"In a time of universal deceipt, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."



P.S. Speaking of universal deceipt:


http://zionismexplained.org/lobbying/lobbying.html



God bless,


MR

[evgwheel]

Techstuf
I’m sure you’re a nice bloke, but a bit heavy on pushing religion.
When ever some bloke in authority wages a war, they mostly mention a God in the last sentence. Weapons get blessed on both sides, but the one with the money wins.
Corruption is ripe within the power hungry people, that is why 95% of the population are peaceful citizen (in every country).
How come that in Australia Ron Paul is an unknown? Here we hear about the (sofar) 2 states preferences for elected candidates, Clinton, Edwards and Obama. And a few more. I suppose in the next 9 months, we as Australians will be more educated in the election system of the US presidency. Is the official US economy in recession yet?

[Techstuf]

Thank you for judging my heart, Techstuf.

Well, you did say some pretty disgusting things that certainly *seemed* heartfelt. It looked like you were reacting out of fear or pain. So, naturally, I prayed. Jes, only you or one in a similar position could construe well meaning gestures as judgemental damnation.


As for for America not having been founded upon Christian principles, I am glad that there is wealth of evidence to refute your unfounded assertion.


http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/ ... utions.htm


http://www.allabouthistory.org/separati ... -state.htm


http://www.pointsouth.com/Merchant2/mer ... AYC-CHRIST


As is evidenced, EVERY single state constitution recognizes Yahweh, the God of Christ, and gives Him thanks and glory.


True Christianity founded this nation and saw it rise far above any ever before, just as was foretold.


For those so inclined, consider these facts as well:


Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."

The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.

God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.

As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.

Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.

The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.

Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.

Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.

Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."

Our national anthem mentions God.

The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.

The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.

Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.

Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.

The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.



America, indeed the whole of the earth, has certainly fallen far from what once was blessed upon her.



Again, Jez, God bless your heart.



And in the days directly ahead, God bless us all.



MR

[ovyyus]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....


Such revolutionary concepts! To some, I guess.

Such an idiotic hypocrite. As a proven liar and deceiver how might anyone take such preaching as anything more than exactly what it is - self serving voodoo garbage. Once a liar, still a liar, always the parasite.

[digitaljez]

I don't have any fear or pain, but thanks anyway. Why do you religious guys always use that line ? Do fear and pain feature a lot in the lives of the devout.

I am sorry about the nuke in the US remark, Techstuf. I don't have to ask where you really want the nuclear detonation to take place. I guess Israel is too far away to count as a neighbor, huh ? But at the end of the world does it really matter where it goes off ? It sounds as if this time Yahweh is going to throw a tantrum that will make the one he had over the golden calf seem like an English picnic.

Nice video with the soldier. Do you think its genuine ? The guy is definitely convincing as someone who fell for the recruiting spiel, but that somehow jars with him not also falling for the 'honour' line.

Why are you supporting Paul ? He seems the least likely candidate to hasten the onset of the second coming. On top of that he wants to go back to the founding principles - that would mean a SECULAR government. It will undo 200 years of sneaking christianity into every nook and cranny of the system.

I can not believe you are taking your history from an article that thinks Jefferson's description of the 1st is a 'metaphor'. A metaphor for what ?

Read article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. Read the first amendment and try to understand it for yourself. Don't rely on some semi-literate fundamentalist web page to do it for you. Read about the founding fathers and read their letters.

People fled to America to escape religious meddling in European secular affairs. Today Europe has virtually no religious interference in government while the US is teetering on the brink of theocracy. You probably imagine that is a good thing but it will destroy the US as surely as Islamic theocracy destroyed the great Arab civilisation that flourished during the European dark ages.

[evgwheel]

digitaljez

Great post digitaljez, non-judgemental (only if you are looking for being picky) if only all debates could be like this. If posts could have a score, this would be 8 out of 10.
Any higher and you will have to become a God. God forbid, too many of them already

[rmd3]

An Arab civilization? Tell that to the Turks, Indians, Persians, Afghanis, Berbers, etc. of the European Dark Ages.

So what made that great "Arab" civilization flourish, digitaljez?

[ovyyus]

The pusuit of knowledge (science)