Hi John & Dave .. John, you bring up an interesting point & something that still perplexes me today at times - when people here use the word 'principle' what do they mean in the context of searching for a gravity wheel ?
Personally I might have a narrower view of the use of the word principle in this context than some !
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solution IMO is an overbalanced wheel that has asymmetric torque generated by the movement/transference of internal weights within the wheel housing N.B. there may be other ways to create one-sided torque that doesn't require weight overbalance, so IMO that would be a different solution - designs [application of mechanical principles] are common to everyone & therefore individual.
The principle is what law or fact of nature is used to allow the shifting of those weights to arrive at the solution IMO ?
Is that how you & others see the use of the word principle ? - either by ourselves or Bessler ? - it appears to me that Bessler talked about a PM principle as applied to achieving a overbalance solution ? How would you define it, as I'm probably still a little confused about its proper meaning in the gravity wheel context ? - when I read the below quotes from both yourself & Dave [Dave headed the topic "The Solution to Bessler's Wheel"] I'm still none the wiser so perhaps a little discussion can help me understand if there is any difference in what you both [& the rest of us] mean ? - or am I confusing everyone when its all very clear, except to me ? :7)
Dave Roberts wrote:I have solved the principle used in Bessler's Wheel.
Don't get me wrong, I do not have a working wheel but once the principle is seen and understood, it will be painfully obvious and very simple as compared to many of the others that I have built.
Although the solution is simple, the description is not and it may take a day or two to make adequate drawings.
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John Collins wrote:Dave I'm sort of pleased that you have announced this but I'm also concerned, as I too know the principle upon which Bessler's wheel worked.
John Collins wrote:Dave, just to clarify, I think we have two different solutions to Bessler's wheel. When you mentioned the word 'principle' in your initial post I misunderstood what you meant. You, I think, have a design that you believe will work, based on a certain principle, whereas I have, what I believe to be another principle, looking for a design with which to make it work. I have that design as well now.
When I use the word 'principle' I am using it to describe the way the wheel can use gravity to turn itself continuously. One might, for instance, use the principle of moving weights further out on the descending side of the wheel and bring them back inwards on the ascending side of the wheel. The 'design' of such a wheel can vary enormously but the principle remains the same.
The Penguin English Dictionary : Definition i.e. as relating to science
principle n - a universal & fundamental law or doctrine - the essence of
or basic idea behind something - a law or fact of nature underlying the working of a natural phenomenon or an artificial system.