letting go... a little bit ;P

[Oxygon]

Well nothing's going to happen if we sit here just saying it will.

You tell'em Jonathan...

This is all BS... Lets count shall we how many times this has been said...?

Lets be clear, we all know what happening here... people are hoping falsely on someone else to do it for them... So that they can prance around telling everybody they "told'em so"... I cant believe this happens even here.

If you can do it... stop waiting, preening your ego...

if we dont learn from the past we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past...

In this spirit I will share an idea... I can lose.

you may well shoot it down and say that it wont work...

Maybe I have missed its likness out there...???

at least I am trying to help...

two weights connected in pairs... located at equally distant points around the wheel.

I have done the calculations and it would seem it is overunity unbuilt...

but building isnt my penchant...

If this does actually work... All I ask is credit... "this small expression is by no means a representation of my work as a whole..."

the wieght closest to the axis remains an equal distance from the axis (small actual variation) but the connected wieght does move... further or closer based on which side it is on... weigths are hinged on the line between the alternate positions of each "lone" wieght... they are shaped like a wedge and connecting them is a simple universal joint connecting the corners together, when one wieght falls it pulls the outside weight in and vice virsa when on the opposite side...

weights are represented as pair position "1" or "2"... have as many of these "wieght sets" around the wheel...

Buy the way there are other ways to construct this and utilize the mech. better... but this is the design I shared...

later...

[Jonathan]

I've pleased to see you come out of your shell!!!
Unfortunately, and jim_mich would know better than I, this seems like a mechanical analog to the hydraulic piston conveyor belt devices he was working with. They used heavy cylinders that moved vertically to transfer fluid (or lack thereof) from one side to the other.

[jim_mich]

Sorry, I can not visualize this?? The drawing makes no sense to me.

[etjoe]

How does the

simple universal joint connecting the corners together

get activated? Is there another mechanism for that?
-e

[Oxygon]

Sorry about the "activated" thing...

Here is another picture... from another angle.

You can see here from an angle how the inside weight/rocker is in one position or the other depending on which side of the wheel it is on, the outer wieght too is moved in relation to the inner eights position... becuase of the twisting motion it goes thru I had to use a universal joint (which is basically just a hard stick with flexible joint material connecting it to each weights corner) I thought it would be easier to just call it a universal joint... instaed of a simple hinge discription...

On one side its further out - greater weight distance from the axis on one side and closer on the other side of axis...

does that help...?

Just to say again... the inner weights (closest to axis) never really move any considerable distance from the axis during there position change... however the outer weight varies it distance to the axis with relation to the position of the inner weight (closest to the axis...) either further or closer...

and the wieghts are hinged wedges... which is better shown here in this picture... the outer wedge is hinged too an the sharpest angle... and the inner weight is hinged at the inside of the quarter...

[Fletcher]

Hi Oxygon,

Is the action a little like this, except your inner wedge weights rotate (up & down) around the radial & the outer wedge weights rotate (in & out) around perpendicular (tangent) ?

Regards -Fletcher P.S. thanks for sharing !

[etjoe]

Okay, I think I get it.
I'll try it out on that freebee simulator and see what happens.
I have my doubts but I don't want to discourage those of us who share ideas, unlike the tight-lipped person that I am :-)

-e

[Oxygon]

yes... I think you get it...

I am not sure about the wheel you present, but...

here is another representation...

this is a presentation of the weights position relative to the axis... if this was a eight "set" wheel or a dual offset wheel... it will work.

one million dollars please... ;)

[Oxygon]

Since I have already revealed my idea...

here is another image...

See... ;)

not exactly the "release" I thought of...

Seriously, a million would be nice... ;)


"hours later"... Come'on feel free to respond... ...

[Fletcher]

Since I have already revealed my idea ... here is another image... See... ;) not exactly the "release" I thought of... Seriously, a million would be nice... ;)

"hours later"... Come'on feel free to respond... ...

Hi Oxygon,

I've been away awhile & comeback to look again at your posts without distractions, but I also don't want you 'hanging in the wind' longer than necessary especially after seeing your "hours later", so I'll be the first to give an opinion.

Let me say I know how hard it is to let go of an idea & the guesture is appreciated. Our collective smarts is how we will solve this 'scooby mystery' as Grim once said. I hope you get to collect your mill. all the same.

I stress that this is only my initial look at your concept Oxygon. Many others here are far better qualified than I to rigorously examine it & give a qualified opinion. Initially it appears to me like the wheel would have a low & to the right COG. I guess the question is ... will it suffer from "keeling" or not & can it overcome it ? I really hope so !

I guess Etjoe may be able to shed some light on that when he's done.

Regards -Fletcher P.S. I look forward to counter/any other opinions.

[etjoe]

Grrr...I can't seem to get the friction working.
-e

[coylo]

I'm trying hard to visualize this, I think I get it, but I can't be entirely sure. Maybe if you just keep on posting up pictures, preferably hand drawings, it will become clearer in our minds.

Basically, the bottom weight rocks every 180 degrees, moving the the outer weight by means of the "universal joint".

Be careful when you name things, it can get confusing, or is this what you meant:

[etjoe]

Another question; are the wedges/weights all the same mass?
-e

[Oxygon]

Actually for the question raised...

the universal joint is basically to describe it really simply... an overstatement.

It is a stick with a string taped to each end, then affixed to the corner of the weight. ;|

As for the other question regarding the weight...

The weight of the "inner weights" have to be equal to each other all the way around (for balance)... but they should be weighted sufficiently to raise the outer weight... which isn't hard.

ther isn't a "golden ratio".... it depends on how big you make it...

basically, I don't understand how hard it is to visualize this...

[Fletcher]

basically, I don't understand how hard it is to visualize this...

That's because you have gone over it a thousand times in your head in every detail & it is very familiar to you.

There's a randomly genenerated flash card that comes up when you log in here. It's William Shakespeare (aka Francis Bacon) I think, saying something like ...

"The inappropriate use of the English language wonderfully obstructs meaning" What should also be added is ...

"The inappropriate exclusion or ommission of facts or detail wonderfully obstructs anothers understanding" :-)