Too weird

[evgwheel]

?? centre line 8-4

[evgwheel]

Just wondering, what is required to have an overbalanced wheel of 6 feet in diameter?
Total weight of 40lbs incl. weights
Using 8 weights of 4lbs each
Weights spaced at 45-90-135-180-225-270-315-360 degrees
Looking for a total of quarter pound overbalance
Weights at 180 and 360 degrees have no impact
Weights at 90 and 270 degrees makes the most impact
Presume wheel turns clockwise
Presume that all other weights (2)only need to cover friction (200 gram)
Presume that all weights on right hand side (RHS) are 3 feet from axle.
How far from axle should the (LHS) weights be (presuming in straight line from axle)
I came up for weight (90-270degree) movement of 6 inches, but that seems to be wrong.
Need the right answer, anyone please!

[jim_mich]

Looking for a total of quarter pound overbalance

"Overbalance" is not a measurement. You need to state both a weight and a distance, such at 0.25 Lbs at 1.00 inch distance -or- 0.25 Lbs at 36 inch distance. Overbalance means that the wheel produces torque, so you must state how much torque you are looking for or how much torque a wheel actually produces. Torque is the all important factor that you are looking for. Once the wheel is turning then you have an RPM speed and can state a power output such as HP or Watts.

If you know the location of each weight as a distance at an angle then you can calculate the horizontal distance from the wheel center (D = R•Cos(Aº), which multiplied by weight will give you the torque (T = D•Wt). Positive torque turns the wheel CW and negative torque turns it CCW.

If friction is zero then a gnat landing on a wheel will cause it to turn, though very slowly. If the gnat crawled up the wheel as it turned then the wheel would keep speeding up, until the gnat burned up all of his muscle energy and dropped dead.

[evgwheel]

Reliving my past
Edit after posting: Just noticed something weird in the pic below.
When I look at it and blink my eye or yawn and sit straight up it seems that I look at the image either from to top or from underneath, It also lines up the hollow tubes and weight in the right place (kind of) or in the wrong place. Maybe I’m just weird.

[AB Hammer]

LOL! evgwheel

How some of our ideas are the almost exactly same here.
I drew almost the exact design as your first one displayed (?? centre line 8-4) I even cut the weights for it but I didn't build the wheel yet. 3 inch x 3 inch x 3 inch steel triangle weights. I don't use the same catch/stopper in the design that you do, but it kinda makes me want to finish it, just for good measure. Bessler said something about his prime mover making several of the MTs work. I might try my new prime mover devise on this one and see how close I may be. :)

[evgwheel]

AB Hammer
Great to see a response, but don’t take any of my sketches or ideas too seriously. After all I told my kids that Santa was real.
But I still like to air stupid ideas (Stupid ideas you all must have had, and probably forgotten by now).
If someone can take a little part out of the sketches and open other ideas or remind themselves that some of their ideas may have merit and should be recalculated, then I’m not a total waste of space. Just like thinking outside of the square and not bothering anyone inside the square. evg

[AB Hammer]

@evgwheel

It is my new prime mover design that I am truly testing, the version I already started of triangle wheel is as good as any to do it on. Besides it gives me an excuse to sing triangle man. LOL

[evgwheel]

This is just a thought after reading other post on this forum.
All our learned friends seem to have their pet theory about their energy source that will make a working wheel.
Some say:
Gravity only wheels won’t work.
Heat won’t work.
Centrifugal force won’t work.
And at this time all of them are right
They don’t work at the moment
But still they are believers in free energy, as I’m.
I feel it would be a reasonable request for these “only one way believers� to start a post called “Gravity only� or “CF only� or “Heat only� and use that topic to push their point without interference from other “none believers in that topic.
I know discussion is a great thing and can lead to a good outcome; however negative input, outside the goals they seek is not helpful.
There will always be the general forum we know and love and that is open to all believers with an open mind.
One more topic please “arguments only� for laughs only.

If this happens I wonder which topic will have the most followers. evg

[ovyyus]

Evg, it seems to me that without discussion, argument, debate, dissent, etc, there is no reason for a forum at all - we could just send nice letters of submissive agreement and inform each other how wonderful we are :)

IMO, segregating different belief's so that none are ever questioned will ultimately lead to more closed minds and destructive group division when followers of one belief or another eventually decide (or interprete some sign) that it's time to take out all non-believers in the name of 'truth' :D

I think you already know that strength grows from challenge. A belief not fit for challenge might be a belief not worth having? Perhaps that's too ruthless?

[Fletcher]

In a way that already happens evg - for instance I try not to enter discussion on any or all GO designs & ideas [as I once said] - that's not because I'm lazy or want to see their topics 'wither on the vine' because of lack of input, but because I feel my constant harping on about shortcomings of these ideas would be tiresome to them & to me & may eventually create a predatory atmosphere where individuals like me appear to be waiting to pounce - I do add the odd comment every once in a while if the GO people are a little tight lipped or less than enthusiastic, in some cases - the important bit is first we as individuals have to be able to critique & analyse ideas as best we can, so that discussion can take place & collectively things can move forward & evolve, whether it be GO designs or something else - it helps nobody if everybody sits on the sideline, regardless of your persuasion, IMO.

[evgwheel]

Just cleaned the gutters and found my anti-gravity device.....My ladder!

[John Collins]

Even though I back GO wheels and not heat assisted wheels evg, I'm not actively against them nor any other energy source. I'm only expressing an opinion, as we all are. Those opinions are formed from each person's assessment of the facts, and the opinions arrived at are as varied as the number of facts - and can be changed in an instant. Hopefully each of us is open to a change of opinon.

JC

[Fletcher]

I'm sure I'll change my opinion in an instant when I see one going - but wouldn't we all ;)

I'd probably mope around for a bit wondering how I was so dense as to not see the obvious & feel a little embarrassed about my strong & vocal lack of support for such an idea - but hey, I'm not sitting on any fence & tell it like I see it.

[AB Hammer]

Now just think. When it is done, I wonder how many of us will start kicking ourselves in the Butt for not seeing it earlier, due to it being so simple.

@evgwheel

I just finished my prime mover test last night. :)) looking forward to testing it this weekend on a wheel, but I have to finish the wheel first.

[FunWithGravity]

"Now just think. When it is done, I wonder how many of us will start kicking ourselves in the Butt for not seeing it earlier, due to it being so simple"
Alan

i would think all,

My question would be how many would not accept defeat and ruin a glorious moment?

I hope not many.

PS since you guys are all on, i ask again, give me some respect and acknowledge me, i don't babble to much and i'd really apprecaite it. I'll be good. LOL and i'd feel cool if i hade something in my little box to the left.

D