letting go... a little bit ;P

[etjoe]

Fletcher, thanks.
I can't seem to find a way to have a round gear drive a straight toothed rod in WM2D. Is there a way to do this?

-e

[Oxygon]

Listen hear people...!

I gave this idea as a gift... Not becuase I am a good guy...

No..., it's becuase I can't build squat...

Build it... I know some of you have talent in this area...

just remember to give me little credit.

I am going to get a t-shirt with this on it...

"I solved perpetual motion and all I got for it was this lousy t-shirt"

:)

Seriously people do you think I would have waited this long had it not been for this horrible handicap??? (poor builder)

I am sure in my mind this works.

build it...

[Fletcher]

I can't seem to find a way to have a round gear drive a straight toothed rod ? in WM2D. Is there a way to do this?

Not quite sure I know what you mean here e ? Try using the create gear icon & click on the two items you want to connect via gearing. If you want to connect a gear to a rod then first attach the rod to a background (joined to a slotted pin joint) disk then couple your two components with the gear icon. Important - remember if you have only 2 components coupled the gearing will reverse the direction of rotation (just like the real thing). To have rotation thru gearing in the same direction (say clockwise)you need to insert an intermediary stage i.e. 3 components, or 2 coupling elements.

To the guys,

"Power to your elbows" fella's, there's no substitute for an actual build. Debates about this & that happening or won't happen come & go but nothing is conclusive in the mind of the inventor until he can see it, touch it, smell it, turn it.

Best Regards -Fletcher

P.S. Just an aside: It took me about 6 months b4 I built up the courage to dismantle my first wheel. I re-jigged that mech every which-way just to absolutely satisfy myself. It had been a huge committment emotionally & time wise so it was hard to let go, also I didn't want to be haunted by "what-if-I'd-only-tried-that" scenario. Best of luck !

[Jonathan]

I think etjoe is trying to make a rack and pinion.

[Michael]

Oxygon,

You are being to hard on yourself, I think. It takes a lot of time to build something that has structural integrity. I've been going at mine for a long time now, making and testing parts. No this won't work, yes this will etc. Put sopme patience into it. Once something is created, it then becomes easy to recreate it. But the prototype, for anything good, usually takes longer than a day.

Reg.

Michael

[etjoe]

Oxygon, sorry dude, all I can contribute at this time is a little bit of sim work, I'll have to leave the real carpentry/engineering to someone more capable.

Fletcher, thanks! Let me play around a bit and see if I can get around it, if not, I'll start a question thread in Community Buzz.

Jonathan, yeah! I think MT123 has a lot of potential.

-e

[Oxygon]

I did some component tests last night and here are the results...

An "Oxygon Wheel" when "at rest" appears like this "left picture" below...

(note: these were "static tests": non-switching)

this is actually where it wants to be, niether turning left or right... but down into this position.

the picture to its right is "in torsion", it wants to spin to the right...

these tests of static weight distribution shows that the wieghts will perpetuate the imbalance as long as the weights switch inside of the allowed switch angle...

the actuall switch angle hasn't been tested but "I can be sure" and so can you that the switch would occur within the switch angle allowed...

I will mention that more sets than eight are better... but eight is enough.

Seriously People, this is what we come here for, if this isn't built soon and the world told... than none of us have the right to ask where is perpetual motion...?

Because we have seen it...

... IMO, I belive this to be a working design...

The only thing needed to understand its operation is the "lateral set switch"...

I would assume the angle to be less than a 45 degree angle, somewhere around 23 or soo...

I would add that like above, the lower the angle... the more sets are needed to increase the set switch reaction time...

NOTE: this wouldn't save the planet or power a house or anything here people.... It would just "proof of principle".

No threat to oil companies, etc... ;)

[Oxygon]

So that's it?

I give it away and hear no more about it...

I give it to be the first, because obviously no one else is going first...

and nothing...

I have been waiting for one of you to offer something real...

"the lateral switch is conclusive"... by itself, pair it up, etc...

...

I take the dumbest idea I have and give it up for you to ignore?

As for "Michael"s comment on building it... I didnt give it away so that I could toil for to build something resembling my idea...

[ovyyus]

Hi Oxygon,

I give it away and hear no more about it...

Not true. I gave you my opinion on this design, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear. Jonathan also gave you his opinion and time. Your accusations of neglect are unfounded. Objectivity is your friend :)

[Jonathan]

Fletcher, Neo, and Jim too. Come on, this topic is 3 pages long!

I take the dumbest idea I have and give it up for you to ignore?

Well you don't expect a posting frenzy for your worst idea do you?

"the lateral switch is conclusive"... by itself, pair it up, etc...

I don't think it is. You've built a model and it didn't work, I've built several models that have been changed only enough for them to be easily built with K'nex and they didn't work. Jim's computer says that it's going to be a tiny overbalance, so I strongly doubt a POP is even possible with this concept without some quality materials and machining for low friction.
EDIT
This thread has had over 1300 views, my Curving Jack thread had just 600!

[coylo]

Yeah, this thread is over-rated.......................(just kidding)
Sometimes I think my threads deserve more attention than they get, but I won't go around moaning about it if they don't. I'd be well pleased if I got such feedback on my concepts.

You've got to appreciate that most people probably have got their hands tied with other ideas.

However, I hope this experience won't discourage you from contributing ideas. That would be a shame.

[Oxygon]

I suppose that my impatience is undue... or is it?

thankyou for your opinions...

I guess I'll let you know how it goes... don't wait up.

[Fletcher]

"the lateral switch is conclusive"... by itself, pair it up, etc...

Hi Oxygon,

... you may need to come up for air mate... IMHO the switching angle you refer to is the crux of it. If the interacting weight sets are of equal mass then the switch will occur exactly half way between geometric segments. Not a moment sooner or later. It's a mathematical relationship. You seem convinced the "Oxy Wheel" will work if you can get the change over to occur earlier but just how do you do that ?

IMO if the mass sets are different then the change over will occur at a different position but the same result will occur.

I guess you can get a machinist to make it up for you. You only need a "proof of principle" & don't need to spend thousands, more like hundreds.

Regards -Fletcher

[jim_mich]

Oxygon, I've spent a number of hours analyzing your idea. Then I've spent a number of hours trying to modify or morph your idea into something more workable. And while sketching possible alternates I arrived at a new idea. I played with it, toyed with it. Then I programmed an animated simulation to help me visualize this new baby idea. I've sketched some possible construction methods. This new baby looks very promising. I then spent 2-1/2 hours downloading WM2D and am learning how to use it just so I can test this new idea. So far WM2D seems very user friendly. I just wish it would save! One idea leads to another. All new ideas are usually a mixture of previous ideas. A good inventor has the ability to make the leap to something entirely new by rearranging pieces of many old ideas.

What I'm trying to say is you helped me arrive at this new idea. Maybe its THE ONE that works? But before I disclose this new baby I want to get a better idea as to whether it might work or not. I don't want to create a big fuss over something that fizzles. I learn from each new idea, hoping to eventually acquire sufficient knowledge and skill to create a working wheel.

Oxygon, I thank you for planting the seed of my latest idea.

[Oxygon]

Oxygon, I've spent a number of hours analyzing your idea. Then I've spent a number of hours trying to modify or morph your idea into something more workable. And while sketching possible alternates I arrived at a new idea. I played with it, toyed with it... A good inventor has the ability to make the leap to something entirely new by rearranging pieces of many old ideas... What I'm trying to say is you helped me arrive at this new idea. Maybe its THE ONE that works? But before I disclose this new baby I want to get a better idea as to whether it might work or not. I don't want to create a big fuss over something that fizzles. I learn from each new idea, hoping to eventually acquire sufficient knowledge and skill to create a working wheel.

Oxygon, I thank you for planting the seed of my latest idea.

It would be a shame not to get any credit for the idea...

Obviously the reaction wasn't as I thought.

I hope somone out there builds the idea even if only a offshoot of it...

I certainly won't be sharing any others here... without proof.

the basic idea is sound... despite the opinion of other out there.

the switch occurs at a 30 degree angle... thus imbalancing the wheel.

I can't prove it becuase the whole idea has been only tested as components only...

the whole reason for the "letting go..." is to get a working machine out there even if I didn't build the thing.

Because I don't want to be here in 2007 hearing you people say "it'll be this year, I feel it!" yet again...

I am reminded of the saying...

"If you steal ideas from alot of people they call that research, you steal one idea from one guy... they call that stealing?"...

jim_mich you go right ahead and build a working model...

I can't do everything... :p