letting go... a little bit ;P

[Oxygon]

I swear sometimes I feel like I am from the future...

Trying to convince people that "heavier than air machines can fly", but no one wants to hear it... I dont have any proof, just the ideas I have with me...

I don't have any money or know what to do so that people will see the truth...

Of course my primary want now is financial... I am broke, destitute.

If I give it away someone else will profit from my idea...

there doesnt seem to be an upside to this...

[racer270]

if you have the real deal, and your sure you could run it by( CNN )or some big caliber group desimanate it far and wide telling all slowley. keep only the key and then make it happen all in one day i wish i had a better idea for you,but it's tuff being poor in this daysand age,you will have to trust someone with MONEY/DEVELOMENT SKILLS or do it all your self...

or give it away ? and wate for the fame/money to come your way.!!!

gordy best of luck

[joppa]

Build a better Orffyrean wheel and the world will beat a path.........across your chest.

[Fletcher]

You know Oxygon, I feel for your situation, it's the proverbial "rock & a hard place". I am convinced that you are convinced that you have the solution & no one can take that away from you. I am a little worried that I can't see your answer & yet I have this belief that when it is found it will be head smackingly simple & obvious in a counter intuitive way!

Unfortunately in this world you do have to get people to "buy in" to your vision & help make it a reality if you are unable to do so yourself. Just an observation : Often it's not the building skills that are lacking with people but an incomplete picture of that final bit of mechanism to get the whole thing turning & they need others input to connect the dots. Thats just life.

I would say that jim_mich has given you the greatest public acolade so far by saying that his derivation is based at least in part on your efforts, should his idea work. Financial rewards might trickle down should he maximise the opportunity (& sounds like he has a pretty good plan to do so) & that I would say is as much as you could hope for. It obviously comes down to the man & how much intellectual rights to an idea someone may claim. If an idea has morphed beyond easy recognition then the claim is small. Now if you can establish the PRINCIPLE then that is another matter. There would be no denying where that came from !

Best of Luck !

-Fletcher

[Oxygon]

I guess every thing up in the air... can and will be, until proven otherwise.

I am sure that jim_mich will create some derivative of the "Oxygon Wheel"...

Regardless... I would appreciate some compensation...

But, I'm not holding out hope... :)

I don't know how the world would react to the first working PMM?

Hopefully they will be interested in the ideas of the person who hinted at the solution...

Maybe I get some money from other ideas...

that was the goal in "letting go..."

[Fletcher]

I guess we could say that the jury is still out on the Oxy Wheel, at least in some minds. Neo & jim_mich still think it's alive & kicking or at least they recognise some posibilities for it in another form or in combination with something else.

I for one will give them both the benefit of time to see if things pan out. You probably should too.

[jim_mich]

Here is my idea and the WM2D results which says it doesn't work. Not bad for a two day crash learning marathon, eh?

I feel quite strongly that a working wheel will have a spring or something that stores energy on one side and gives it back on the other. Now how much does this idea really have in common with Oxygon's? But as I said I was playing with Oxygon's idea when this one emerged.

The idea was for a spring to absorb the inertial energy without slowing the wheel itself. Then give back that energy to help flip the weight higher. Also a second spring helps counter balance the weight and hold it up, thus eliminating any catch mechanism while storing energy.

Anyway WM2D shows quite a lot of slow down which means the swinging weights are putting a drag on the wheel, eating up energy, which is what I've experianced before with real live wheels. I gave the wheel an initial 25 RPM spin.

[Tinhead]

Nice model Jim :o) not bad for crash learning. Now you are official sim-backup ;^)

Cheers,
Rainer

[Oxygon]

Now how much does this idea really have in common with Oxygon's? But as I said I was playing with Oxygon's idea when this one emerged.

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You said it... ...

Its great to put another idea to the test, It would seem to me that the reset arms take too much away from the wheel...

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[Fletcher]

Nice, clean, imaginative idea jim_mich & a nice build too. Jeez, even that one can't get over the closed loop "speed hump" eh ! Onwards & upwards :-)

[Fletcher]

Hey Oxygon,

Take a look at this ... This'll make you laugh !

Apparently this guy thought he could trade vertical distance for horizontal distance too, & do away with timing issues & switching entirely by creating a design that was Constantly Out Of Balance. Couldn't he see that it wouldn't work :-) ?

Regards -Fletcher

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... =1332#1332

[Oxygon]

Hey Oxygon,

Take a look at this ... This'll make you laugh !

...Couldn't he see that it wouldn't work :-) ?

Regards -Fletcher

Are you trying to parallel the floppy disk to my oxygon wheel design...?

the floppy weight variation is minute and occurs near the top...

plus the inner structure seems to undo the supposed imbalance on the outer edge...

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Besides, yours as a design is integrated and couldn't be tested as components... Something the "Oxy wheel" has...

the only thing that "makes me laugh" is the responces people give to my idea...

by the way a good set count is "16" around the wheel...

As you can see... even if the switch occured at a lower than 33 degree angle from horizontal... it perpetuates.

to further this imbalance, one can use "parallel offset" wheels too...

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image attached

the first is the last, 1, 2, 3 back to one, etc... ad infinitum

[Fletcher]

LOL, Ok Oxygon,

Have it your way. Build it & prove it to the world.

"You can take a whore to culture but you can't make her think !"

[Oxygon]

Yes, this just seems absurd...

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[coylo]

What you lack Oxygon is building experience, I think a reality check ( a few failures) will do you some good.

Everyone on this forum, myself included could be criticized as delusional, but not to the extent as this.