Besslerwheel based on conservation of angular momentum and inconservation of kinetic energy. That means There is more energy generated at certain configuration. However, one cannot hardness that kinetic energy and expect an excess gain in momentum. One have to convert that kinetic energy into some other form, this case would be potential energy. Momentum work on 1st order(linear) while energy works on 2nd order(parabola).
Energy in a wheel:
Consider solid disk wheel. It's moment of Inertia is 1/2*M*R^2 where M is the mass , R is the radius. The momentum at angular velocity w is =Iw, where I is the inertia. The kinetic energy is 1/2*I*w^2.
If we can push the the mass in the wheel in ward, the moment of Inertia will change due to the shift in mass. That effect the R in Inertia equation, there for we have smaller Inertia. The wheel will now conserve is angular momentum and speed up the wheel. But as the wheel speed up, the energy it gains speed up too, and speed up at an exponential rate vice linear like momentum. We can't convert those energy back to rotate the wheel, but we can use it to over come gravity.
That's why all Bessler wheel have the same characteristic. One process is spread all the mass out as you can on the falling side to gain momentum, then close up all the mass to the center to gain kinetic energy and overcome up route against gravity.
How Bessler wheel work
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Jiggawatts
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re: How Bessler wheel work
Dang broli, you're a damn expert! I wish all the knuckle heads bashing about overunity would understand half of what you do about the physics.
I was about to come up here and say something about my imcomplete theory. You're right! that only get unity, not overunity. I've already proved it on the equation what the magic is. Where's my piece of paper...
Ok back, here it is. 1/2m(at^2+2a(vi)^2 +vi^4-vi^2). This is linear motion. Change all the a to angular and velocity to angular and mass to some inertia related and that's the equation for rotating object.
I derived it base on law of momentum conservation. What it said is when you speed thing up, the momentum you add to it will increase in form of kinetic energy by power factor. vi is the initial velocity when that happens. As you can see, the faster the velocity, the more energy you get. and it increase by power factor 4! So the secret to bessler wheel is first use unity technique, then play around to get the hitting right on when it moving the fastest. This can apply to some case like chas motor and stuff. Just use a big flywheel and put a motor on it. However, there's a catch. Resistance and balance is the mother of all overunity failure. Balance means smooth and transition. Air resistance is the devil. It also increase exponentially with velocity. Remember terminal velocity? Yeah, it'll reduce the force of gravity to zero. However, Besslerwheel is low speed. If some smooth motion and hit it at the right time when it moves fastest, you're golden. I saw a promising wheel on the Album. The second picture where the weight curve up and strike the outter wheel. I bet that's the one closest to overunity. Good day guys.
I was about to come up here and say something about my imcomplete theory. You're right! that only get unity, not overunity. I've already proved it on the equation what the magic is. Where's my piece of paper...
Ok back, here it is. 1/2m(at^2+2a(vi)^2 +vi^4-vi^2). This is linear motion. Change all the a to angular and velocity to angular and mass to some inertia related and that's the equation for rotating object.
I derived it base on law of momentum conservation. What it said is when you speed thing up, the momentum you add to it will increase in form of kinetic energy by power factor. vi is the initial velocity when that happens. As you can see, the faster the velocity, the more energy you get. and it increase by power factor 4! So the secret to bessler wheel is first use unity technique, then play around to get the hitting right on when it moving the fastest. This can apply to some case like chas motor and stuff. Just use a big flywheel and put a motor on it. However, there's a catch. Resistance and balance is the mother of all overunity failure. Balance means smooth and transition. Air resistance is the devil. It also increase exponentially with velocity. Remember terminal velocity? Yeah, it'll reduce the force of gravity to zero. However, Besslerwheel is low speed. If some smooth motion and hit it at the right time when it moves fastest, you're golden. I saw a promising wheel on the Album. The second picture where the weight curve up and strike the outter wheel. I bet that's the one closest to overunity. Good day guys.
re: How Bessler wheel work
Jigg,
Ralph
Never fear there are others here who know more than they let on. The fact that your equations were in error was spotted shortly after you posted. Read your private mail!Dang broli, you're a damn expert! I wish all the knuckle heads bashing about overunity would understand half of what you do about the physics.
Ralph
Don't forget that Besslers wheel had a constant speed of about 60rpm which is pretty slow. This can mean two things. It had huge friction loses and hit terminal velocity pretty quick (which I highly doubt). It wasn't overunity in the sense of it not accelerating indefinitely until air drag comes into play.
It had to be a wheel that somehow at all costs had to keep that speed maintained using according to Karl's testimony a method that even a boy carpenter could understand and build.
Imo you should spend your time more on actual ideas and concepts than on math. Even if you can't build them physically you can still use something like wm2d to help envision it.
It had to be a wheel that somehow at all costs had to keep that speed maintained using according to Karl's testimony a method that even a boy carpenter could understand and build.
Imo you should spend your time more on actual ideas and concepts than on math. Even if you can't build them physically you can still use something like wm2d to help envision it.
Broli, I have a wheel more than 1.5 metres in diameter. If I spin it manually at one rotation per second, I can tell you that it is turning pretty fast at the circumference. Put your hand against the edge and the protrusions will smash off your hand! And it probably doesn't have the mass of one of Bessler's wheels!
But I see what you are saying.
But I see what you are saying.
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Jiggawatts
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re: How Bessler wheel work
It doesn't matter guys. What if you have a working wheel? What are you going to do with it? Sell it? Mass produce it? patent it? Working device already out there for decades now, why haven't it mass produce yet? Think about it. This is nothing but a hoppy. Probably best to just build one and put it in your own home for personal use. Actually, that's what I'm doing right now.
re: How Bessler wheel work
Where out there?Jiggawatts wrote:Working device already out there for decades now, why haven't it mass produce yet?
Believing that something works isn't the same as something that actually works.
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Chas and behdini motor is the one that shows some validcity. Of course sub cases as Stanley Myer. I say it's not proven officially, but you can't say it's not proven unofficially. I belive in thousand witness rather than the "it's does not work" official document. If you're the actual eye witness, then I will take your world of "actual" more serious.
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An 'actual' eyewitness doesn't necessarily understand what he/she witnesses. I've seen technically inexperienced people (the majority) walk away from spruiked up machine demonstrations completely fooled by nothing more than a simple trick and and a bright paint job. IMO, noise levels always favour a vocal majority regardless of their actual technical ability, or their actual lack of it.