MT-124 Backlash Device

[axel]

If "B" is a shadow, then it's elevated off the floor and sitting on " bun" feet.
All 124 is, is Bessler pulling everybodys chain again by placing a brachistarchrone track on top of a leg and circular stretcher assembly for one of Karl's coffee tables.
Axel

[DrWhat]

Thanks Jim for the higher quality version of the image. In John's MT the image is very unclear, and in Wiki it is not ideal either. I now see that the "shadow" or rather band is sandwiched inside each pillar.

It could be a coffee table! I'm just not sure where you'd leave your mugs!

OK: This MT I believe is a demonstration of Centrifugal force. A is a channel formed in a circle. B is a support to prevent the pillars toppling over and reducing tilting of the whole device (more about this later).

At D are two cuts that allow each ball to tip out of the valley: one cut allows a ball to tip into the centre of the whole device, the other allows the ball to tip away from the centre of the whole device.

When a ball is released at F (or rather infront of position F) the ball rolls down the initial incline, speeds up and doesn't tip out at the northern most D because CF keeps it against the external rim.

If the ball is released at G, then it speeds up and tips out at the southern rim at D because it lacks a supporting wall and CF causes the fall.

If balls are placed at each of the D positions they tip out straight away due to the incline at D.

Another purpose of B is to show you how the incline of the A ringed (valley) is set up. The tiny cuts all the way around B show that the base of the upper ring is inclined towards us at all times (virtually), the reason why placing a stationary ball especially at D makes the ball simply tip out.

The upper images i and H are also devices to demonstrate CF. If the wheels i and H (two views of the same wheel) are spun, the multitude of dangling arms swing out towards their rim due to CF.

C'mon tear me to shreds! :-)

[AB Hammer]

OK

We look at B and it looks shadowy, but it is drawn with refined lines. Could this be a magnet track under the main track? and H and I to be more the direction of the magnets in the under track? This is the way I have always read it anyways.

[jim_mich]

Alan, I really don't think Bessler used magnets. The reason is that strong magnets did not exist during Bessler's era. Most magnets were lodestones. These were natural pieces of iron that held a weak magnetic flux. Their range of attraction was maybe 1/4 inch, depending on the size of the stone.

We live in a world where electricity is used to create very stong magnetic fields and where rare earth elements are refined and mixed in a manner that allows them to be highly magnetized into super strong magnets.

During Bessler's time none of these modern magnets existed. The only magnets that Bessler would have had would have been very weak lodestones and iron that sometimes becomes naturally magnetized when being worked by a blacksmith.

[rlortie]

Alan,

Being an armorer, you also know a littler about Black Smithing.

http://www.blacksmithsjournal.com/top/
http://www.anvilfire.com/

I question Jim_Mich's statement ( its not an unusual thing :-)

during Bessler's era. Most magnets were lodestones. These were natural pieces of iron that held a weak magnetic flux.

As some of you know, I collect antique tech and trade books. Some time ago I read in one of them about how Blacksmiths made magnets by heating the metal to a certain color, they would lay it on the anvil in a geographic orientation to the earths magnetic poles and proceed to strike it. This would cause the atom structure to line up with the magnetic field and you had a ferrous man made magnet.

Not having readily access to the article, I am not going to debate over it. Ii thought that maybe somebody on the forum may be able to verify this.

Ralph

[AB Hammer]

Jim

Yes our modern day magnets are stronger, but for a smith they where easy to make.

Now lets look at it a little closer.

Would you need a strong magnetic field?

When you set up several of them, do they not make a larger field?

On the track which is made of wood and uses steel balls would be over a full circled magnetic field which would increase the gravity effect to speed up the balls. This may have been the worlds first SMOT. Not to mention it would have no use for work, but just a toy.

[DrWhat]

Anyone care to comment on my remarks above? I think I am correct in my description.

[ovyyus]

This may have been the worlds first SMOT...

Then just like a SMOT it would be incapable of delivering any free energy.

[Quartz]

Hi Drwhat

I think the horizontal line is just a reference line. Using the image on my pc screen I took a ruler and measured the center of the ball G to the center of ball E1, I got 7.0 inches and from the center of E1 to the center of F, I got 5 ¾ inches and from the center of F to the center of E2, I got 7.0 inches and from the center of E2 back to the center of G, I got 5 ¾ inches. I don’t think these ball’s were randomly placed on the track.

Ken

[ssmyser]

Ovyyus: Nice shot at Greg Watson.

Dr. What: As far as a comment, your description does make sense, however concerning 'H' & 'i', I remain unmoved.

You said:

The upper images i and H are also devices to demonstrate CF. If the wheels i and H (two views of the same wheel) are spun, the multitude of dangling arms swing out towards their rim due to CF.

If it is to demonstrate CF, what could the side view (drawing 'i') possibly tell us about CF.
It doesn't make sense.

"One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just dosen't belong" (Sesame Street, circa 1979)

[AB Hammer]

This may have been the worlds first SMOT...

Then just like a SMOT it would be incapable of delivering any free energy.

Exactly! But a possible argument toy for possibilities.

I think I will build one just for the fun of it this winter. I'll have to break out my carving blades and files.

[ssmyser]

AB- If you do decide to build a SMOT, just for kicks try enclosing the ramp with a clear plastic tube. (So the ball CAN'T stick at the exit). I've always wanted to see if that might help.

[Quartz]

Hi All

While on the subject of magnets, can you imagine if an insulator of magnetisms was found, I’ am not talking about magnetic shielding like whats used in the electronic's field, I’ am talking about a material that prevents magnetic lines of force extending through itself , a material that when placed between the poles of two magnet's would block there effect . Is it possible that this is what bessler found in nature?.

Ken

[daxwc]

I have often studied mt 124... first off it is has not an original number so it could be placed anywhere and maybe not related to the water wheels.

If you follow the track from ball E clockwise it falls off the track. I guess it could be a demonstration of cf, that it sticks to the wall then at the high lip shoots back on the track, but then why all the balls?

I would love to know what C is susposed to represent? There is nothing there but the table. It is my opinion that Bessler uses the letter A to show which side of the wheel or sometimes quadrant is unbalanced or with excess force.

I finally decided it was was a demonstration last year, not of CF, but of moment of inertia.

[Quartz]

Hi daxwc

I think C is the horizontal line and is used as a Reference point. I don’t think this is a demonstration of CF, I think it’s a demonstration of magnetism, It looks to me that the supports are floating on there bases.

Ken