NEWS FLASH: Hoagland, Wernher von Braun and Anti-Gravity on Coast To Coast AM!

[primemignonite]

Late last night / early this morning, Richard C. Hoagland - perennial science guy to Coast To Coast AM - was on for a full four hours of way more than interesting discussion!

The subject was sheep-dipped and imported former Nazi scientist, Wernher von Braun and his supposed discovery of a first-order anti-gravity effect, this being, reportedly, A FULL THIRD more energy out, than what the carefully-calculated solid rocket propellant should have allowed. This observation was said to have been confirmed over and over by von Braun, by many subsequent rocket launchings.

If true, this would seem to be potentially solid stuff! (NPI) The fact of the observed anomaly was said by Hoagland to have been kept secret by all who were then involved, or privy, but that now, he has the goods in the form of evidence aplenty!

A few lines from the C2CAM web-page:

". . . In a special 4-hour show, Richard C. Hoagland discussed Wernher von Braun's secret related to anti-gravity technology and space exploration.

Hoagland presented his thesis that during that during the launch of the Explorer I rocket in 1958, von Braun discovered an anti-gravity effect was taking place. The effect, related to the craft's orbit, defied Newtonian physics and was kept secret, said Hoagland. He explained that he pieced it together using 'circumstantial physics.' "

Here is the link to the page of interest, and to further links to Hoagland's web-site containing two of the three complete parts promised to-be:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/200 ... html#recap

This discussion was wide-ranging, involving several of the usual suspects from the former Nazi high command, even.

Most astoundingly, Hoagland made one quote that really got me. He said: "It's all about rotation, rotation, rotation!", a beautiful play on the commercial saying, 'location, location, location', and done with considerable emphasis. A 'bell ringer' sure.

We listeners DID "take a ride" alright!

More importantly, however, might this directly or not be relevant to the operative secret of Bessler's Wheel, which presently so-eludes us?

We shall see . . .

James

[rlortie]

James,

Interesting reading, but I wonder why it took so long to make news?

Wernher von Braun, a man I had personal communication with died at the age of 65 in 1977. Thirty one years later Richard C. Hoagland makes commentary on a man who cannot speak for himself!

I say that as I do not believe Von Braun would have made such a statement without facts to back it up. I knew him as a very meticulous person!

Wiki quote:

During guest appearances on Coast to Coast AM With George Noory, Hoagland has said he has longstanding friendships with scientists from NASA and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, managed by the California Institute of Technology, who according to Hoagland, provide him with "inside information." However, on the radio show 21/22 August 2008, he clearly stated "we do not depend on sources."

Wiki has a lot of pros and cons regarding Hoagland, some are indeed questionable!

EDIT: Here is an interesting link on Von Braun, including his response to Lyndon B Johnson regarding questions asked by President Kennedy.

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/

Ralph

[axel]

Right Ralph.
I used to go fishing with Wernher, and he never mentioned you.

LOL.

Axel

[primemignonite]

Hey Ralph,

You asked " . . . I wonder why it took so long to make news?"

Mr. Hoagland, rather convincingly to me, asserts "cover-up", deep and wide! The reason being (I am still going over Part 1 of his presentation) that v.B. was quite aware of the profound significance of the huge anomaly encountered, and desired greatly to get to the rock bottom of it, thus the many letters written by him to top physicists NOT in any way involved with, or connected to, the General Government for the United States.

As I got it from last night's ride, your former illustrious contact cut the General Government for the United States directly O-U-T of his clandestine investigation, which apparently was on-going for quite awhile. Mr. Hoagland has found a fair amount of the correspondence written by v.B., but not from the other direction.

As to the detractors of Hoagland's, I've not paid much attention to them or their wares, but of course whether Richard Hoagland, the man, has problems with his past record OR NOT, he would have such detractors always at-work in either case, doing him dirt. That is just the way of this modern, new and "improved" world of lying and immorality, such that we now endure. (Many actually like it.)

Hoagland asks us to judge the work he does on it's own merits, and not according to prejudices setup possibly to nefarious purpose.

I agree. Maybe I'm just a sucker for the under-dog. Call it a weakness.

The "there ARE no conspiracies, just theories about them" cracked pot smart-set is always, always to be held suspect as to their motives and modus operandi, their cheap, offensive whinings serving only to compound rational suspicions about them. These 'types' are what seekers after truth must always put-up-with, Mr. Hoagland being no exception.

Mightn't we take some care to remember that other fuss of so long ago, involving dark detractors, ugly men, creators of fake engravings and miscellaneous "black PR" (as the Scientologists so aptly term it) against another under-dog?

Let's give Richard Hoagland a fair hearing, rather than a pounding before the fact. He might have actually found something for us.

Fair enough?

James

[primemignonite]

Axel,

You said to Ralph "I used to go fishing with Wernher, . . ."

Most interesting!

Then, with all due respect, might we assume that you are one of the old guard?

James

[ovyyus]

Isn't this the same Richard Hoagland who was selling books, videos and lecture tours about the mysterious 'sphinx face on Mars' NASA photo, which he claimed was proof of past advanced civilisation on the red planet - which in fact turned out to be nothing more than shadow play from a rocky outcrop. He's talking about what now? lol

BTW, haven't forgotten about a response to your PM James, just a little busy hear atm.

[primemignonite]

From the pages of Mr. Hoagland's Part 1, a short, fascinating excerpt:

Allais, a French economist by training (he would go on to win the Noble Prize for Economics, in 1988) was also an accomplished physicist -- publishing copious experiments through the French Academy of Sciences [and winning fourteen physics prizes -- including, the Gold Medal of the National Center for Scientific Research (C.N.R.S.), the most distinguished honour in French Science, from the 1930's through the 1980's].

The work that obviously brought Allais to von Braun's attention was the French physicist's startling observation of "... highly anomalous pendulum motions, made during a solar eclipse over Paris in 1954 ...." (and repeated, during another solar eclipse, also over France, in 1959).

Allais noted that the normal, progressive "Foucault motion" (due to the rotation of the Earth) of his laboratory's uniquely-designed "paraconical pendulum," during the eclipse, suddenly reversed ... and literally "ran backwards" (with the Earth's rotation!) ... until mid-eclipse, when the pendulum motion reversed again ... rapidly resuming its normal rate and direction of angular rotation (below) ....

This set of completely inexplicable (under any current theory ...) solar eclipse observations has since been termed "the Allais Effect."

Are any bells ringing yet?

Here is a link to the rather large Part 1: http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm

James

[primemignonite]

As to the first Bill, yes, as to the rest, I am not so dismissive.

I take the fact of Bessler's having been laughed-at, deemed
a fraud, and spat-upon etc., as a lesson of a kind.

I understand about the response; as it happens.

James

[ovyyus]

I take the fact of Bessler's having been laughed-at, deemed a fraud, and spat-upon etc., as a lesson of a kind.

You mean a lesson for those who might tease with secrets they never tell? Or perhaps a lesson for those who repeatedly promote wild speculation as fact? Surely not a lesson intended to hobble cold and critical examination :)

[primemignonite]

Bill,

I know you. :-)

Into this distractive web you are now spinning, I shall venture no further.

LOL

James

[Quartz]

Hay everybody gather round,

It’s the Art Bell show with Richard C. Hoagland,

lol.......


Ken

[ovyyus]

... weaving distraction straight into the dark matters heart! :D

[Quartz]

Bill wrote

"mysterious 'sphinx face on Mars' NASA photo, which he claimed was proof of past advanced civilisation on the red planet - which in fact turned out to be nothing more than shadow play from a rocky outcrop. He's talking about what now? Lol"


That’s just a few of the subjects Richard C. Hoagland has covered, there are far more that are stranger. Makes for great late night entertainment though. :)


Ken

[ovyyus]

Yes, Hoagland can be entertaining and has quite broad interests - in profitable twilight zone subjects.

I guess olden day snake oil salesmen were pretty entertaining too. I'm sure no one took their 'cures' all that seriously, well probably no one except the sick and desperate. I wonder if these guys were given the occasional angry mob tar-and-feather treatment just for kicks?

All in good fun :D

[Quartz]

Bill wrote

“I wonder if these guys were given the occasional angry mob tar-and-feather treatment just for kicks?�

Lol…… that’s so funny :)


Bill

I really enjoy your unique stile of humor,


Ken