Choosing Sides, it matters!
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re: Choosing Sides, it matters!
James, you fail to understand that I have no interest in whether someone believes in god or not. What matters to me is whether someone will use their chosen belief as an excuse to promote division, hate and war against anyone who does not share their belief. IMO, religion is fundamentally divisive, therefore it makes us weak.
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primemignonite
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re: Choosing Sides, it matters!
OK, Bill, fair enough. I understand that now.
Might I ask if you mean to include as a part of your general view, ALL religions, and further, is conditioner 'organized', key to it?
James
Might I ask if you mean to include as a part of your general view, ALL religions, and further, is conditioner 'organized', key to it?
James
Cynic-In-Chief, BesslerWheel (Ret.); Perpetualist First-Class; Iconoclast. "The Iconoclast, like the other mills of God, grinds slowly, but it grinds exceedingly small." - Brann
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Interesting you mention 'division' 'warfare'......
If I were part of a greedy cabal who had usurped nearly all that is good in this world, I too would be worried about such things.
Christ says: "I come not to bring peace, but a sword of division".
They've picked a fight with the wrong God. The True Creator. And they've chosen to ally themselves with His enemies.
Too bad so many of them feel it's too late to back out now, there is some time left for one to petition Him for forgiveness.
As the Beast attacks His children, it is like touching His eye. I've seen His anger.....from a blessedly privileged vantage point.
His Right Shoulder.
Those with any spirit left in them, pray you do not see His anger from at the end of His arm.
Blessings in Yahshua,
Mitch
If I were part of a greedy cabal who had usurped nearly all that is good in this world, I too would be worried about such things.
Christ says: "I come not to bring peace, but a sword of division".
They've picked a fight with the wrong God. The True Creator. And they've chosen to ally themselves with His enemies.
Too bad so many of them feel it's too late to back out now, there is some time left for one to petition Him for forgiveness.
As the Beast attacks His children, it is like touching His eye. I've seen His anger.....from a blessedly privileged vantage point.
His Right Shoulder.
Those with any spirit left in them, pray you do not see His anger from at the end of His arm.
Blessings in Yahshua,
Mitch
As most of humanity suffers under tyrants, misled by the devil and his cohorts who've recently been thrown down here, nothing short of Yahshua, King of Kings, will remove these oppressors and bring everlasting peace.
re: Choosing Sides, it matters!
What religion isn't 'organised'?James wrote:Might I ask if you mean to include as a part of your general view, ALL religions, and further, is conditioner 'organized', key to it?
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primemignonite
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re: Choosing Sides, it matters!
I really don't know, Bill. My knowledge of this is little.
An example of one extremely organized would of course be the RCC, whereas one Christian but not at all that way, would have been {I believe] the Gnostics, which the RCC persecuted mercilessly, and finally wiped out! (Charming!)
The Quakers were/are an odd bunch, and I think they were sort of liberated Puritans. The "Society of Friends" sounds not so bad. An effort for all to get along with regard to the Golden Rule, yet at the same time give Heaven credit where credit was due, as they believed necessary. I do not know of any famous Quaker battles nor assassinations.
I am really on shaky ground here, Bill, and will probably just get myself into Dutch.
I'll have to study this much more . . .
One thing I DO know something of, is the fact that the reactionary anti-religionist forces got highly organized and active, going undercover of darkness mostly, and really went to work on the religionistas.
The splitting of the RCC by Luther was such a story, and much of the last of his life he spent auto-flagellating (so-to-speak) himself for, this subject being very un-PC stuff to speak of today.
Developing . . .
James
An example of one extremely organized would of course be the RCC, whereas one Christian but not at all that way, would have been {I believe] the Gnostics, which the RCC persecuted mercilessly, and finally wiped out! (Charming!)
The Quakers were/are an odd bunch, and I think they were sort of liberated Puritans. The "Society of Friends" sounds not so bad. An effort for all to get along with regard to the Golden Rule, yet at the same time give Heaven credit where credit was due, as they believed necessary. I do not know of any famous Quaker battles nor assassinations.
I am really on shaky ground here, Bill, and will probably just get myself into Dutch.
I'll have to study this much more . . .
One thing I DO know something of, is the fact that the reactionary anti-religionist forces got highly organized and active, going undercover of darkness mostly, and really went to work on the religionistas.
The splitting of the RCC by Luther was such a story, and much of the last of his life he spent auto-flagellating (so-to-speak) himself for, this subject being very un-PC stuff to speak of today.
Developing . . .
James
Cynic-In-Chief, BesslerWheel (Ret.); Perpetualist First-Class; Iconoclast. "The Iconoclast, like the other mills of God, grinds slowly, but it grinds exceedingly small." - Brann
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re: Choosing Sides, it matters!
There is the Baha'i faith that believes all religions are correct, the head of each religion being an "educator" sent by a single deity. For example Jesus is an "educator" sent by the God of the Christian faith. Such a faith eliminates a lot of the devisiveness between religions.
I believe myself the existence of God remains beyond the perception of life, therefore making it irrelevent to life. I note with interest my view allows God a little more leeway in his actions, as man's interpretation of such actions taken are also irrelevent, as man doesn't get to teach to man about why God does anything. Curiously enough I suppose what this has to do with God remains beyond me as well.
Jim W.
I believe myself the existence of God remains beyond the perception of life, therefore making it irrelevent to life. I note with interest my view allows God a little more leeway in his actions, as man's interpretation of such actions taken are also irrelevent, as man doesn't get to teach to man about why God does anything. Curiously enough I suppose what this has to do with God remains beyond me as well.
Jim W.