Scientific agencies that validate claims

[ovyyus]

Thanks for elaborating Jon. It sounds like you have it all well in hand, as much as can be expected at least. I look forward to hearing the outcome and I wish you good luck.

[Jon J Hutton]

I will private message you and anyone else who is interested when I know something more.

Jon

[jim_mich]

This 'friend' sounds a lot like Darrel from Canada.

[DrWhat]

The lesson we should all have learnt by now is that nothing can be believed until

firstly it is seen in person, and

secondly its performance is verified/measured...whatever.

Jon it sounds to me like you are competent at making the right decisions at the right time. You should at least look at the plans before committing to a trip '3 countries' away and try to determine if there is a chance it could work.

And lets not all continue the Bessler tradition. Where nothing is achieved with such a device. If your friend wants to sell it, market it etc, that's his choice. But if he decides to just sit on it forever then he should do the right thing and reveal it publicly.

[rlortie]

Jon,

It just so happens that I live within a 1-1/2 hour drive from two well known people of Over-unity that would be more than happy to look and verify any findings good or bad. These two are Peter lindemann DS and and Bedini!

I also have ties with the local college physics proffesor and a free lance patent agent retained by Bechtel cooperation, just 45 minutes from my house at the Hanford nuclear site.
http://www.bechtel.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechtel

Being the ninth largest company in the U.S. and 25.5 billion in revenue I am sure that for a royalty basis they would be interested in all phases of patenting, production and marketing. You could still free source to the needy!

As Jim has explained a Prony brake is not that hard to build and once balanced static and dynamic torque can be measured with a set of bathroom scales. I built one many moons ago.

As Jim-mich also stated, I too hope you are not referring to Darrel from Canada. If you wish farther inquiry or assistance drop me a line. I still am accepting submitters from all over the world, and by many am recognized as capable to run objective tests.

Either plans to build a proto for research or a completed model will be required.

Ralph

[Jon J Hutton]

Ralph, Jim, Dr. What,

Thanks.....we will soon see. I am not going to make the flight until I hear a definite confirmation from my friend. Believe me I could feed many people for the price of the ticket where I live.

It is not Darrell. I will let you know when I hear more by private mail.

Jon

[WaltzCee]

........ and what he wants to get this machine out for others to benefit from it.......

A good way to get an idea to the world so they could benefit would be to post it on every site on the net. This one would be a good place to start.


Walt

[broli]

Lol you have to be kidding me.

Jon you sound clean but your "friend" doesn't. It's good to see your have the anti-greed story memorized but you should try and keep trying to convince your friend of breaking the illusion of getting rich. When an free energy device is out in the world it changes the whole system. You're a fool if you're just in it to make money. Everything will collapse as we know it for a better system and future. Economy, politics, monetary system...and so on. People will even be able to grow/clean their own food/water.

All I can say is do whatever it takes to convince him to get it open sourced and spread it ASAP!!! The current made moves are very dangerous. That is working under the radar with these so called investors and and "big companies". This is pure suicide. If something happens to him noone will know and probably noone will give a fuck. "Just another old man who died".

I really advice you to think your position over a bit more.

[ovyyus]

...Everything will collapse as we know it for a better system and future. Economy, politics, monetary system...and so on. People will even be able to grow/clean their own food/water...

While I support an 'open source' public info delivery, I don't agree with the above comment. Actual free energy systems, such as wind, solar, water, etc, have been around for centuries without causing economic/political collapse. I've heard this line parroted for decades within the alt-energy community - it might sound good to the end-of-worlder's but it's clearly not true.

Also, people have been able to freely grow their own food for centuries. Most people I know don't do it, but not because they don't have access to free energy. It's simply more convenient (and sometimes more economical) for them to visit the local supermarket.

I don't grow my own food for similar reasons, but I do tend a couple of tomato plants because I don't like the taste of supermarket tomatoes and they are so easy to grow ;)

[broli]

Actual free energy systems, such as wind, solar, water, etc, have been around for centuries without causing economic/political collapse.

Are you serious? I don't think we have the same definition of free energy here. I'm talking about an easy, cheap to build and long lasting device that will take care of all of your energy needs and that isn't dependent on whether it shines or blows.

I don't know about you but I sure as hell can't build my own solar panels and except them to replace my electric bill. Or even a small wind turbine that barely lights one lamp.

These things are way too commercial and that's what has to change with an OU/FE device.

You might see yourself satisfied the way you live but there are billions that live in poverty and illness. By building hydroponic and water purification systems for these people running on said FE devices we would help out the world a lot.

We do not need to pay for basic commodities in life in such a technological advanced time.

[docfeelsgood]

Boiler Bill ;

plant a few rows of sweet corn , then tie them mater vines to the corn stalks . turn the corn inta bourbon , add some mater juice , aahhh ,,, bloody mary straight from the garden !!!!

hope this has been a help ta ya . no charge !!!!

as per usual , jist "ole Doc. " pissin in sombodys corn flakes !!!!!

[ovyyus]

I don't know about you but I sure as hell can't build my own solar panels and except them to replace my electric bill. Or even a small wind turbine that barely lights one lamp.

If you can't build a simple wind driven generator then what makes you think you'll have better luck building a Bessler wheel generator (assuming we knew how one worked)? Just because it's 'free' energy, doesn't make it cheap or easy to build.

Lighting a single lamp would probably seem more remarkable to one of the billions who live in poverty than it would to any of us. It's easy to underestimate the value and utility of traditional free energy sources when those sources can't keep up with our insatiable first-world energy appetites.

Doc, as usual you're a veritable gold mine of practical knowledge. When the end-of-worlder's have their way it's people like you who'll help keep mankind stoned enough to keep soldiering on :D

[rlortie]

Bill makes a good point!

Home made wind generators down on the farm has been utilized since the advent of the first 6 volt DC generators added to automobiles (Ford Model "T" 1919). Junk and salvage yards provided the generators and a "LeJay" manual showed you how to convert it to 110 volt pulsating AC. You could even make a welder out of one.

I recently lost my 1945 edition of the LeJay manual being stored in the bottom of a box of books that got wet due to a plumbing problem. I considered it a collectors item and will miss it. I can however replace it with a reprint from the below link.

http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks/lejay/
http://www.motherearthnews.com/multimed ... x?id=63772

Ralph

PS/ I currently have three modern alternators capable of producing up to 1,377.5 Watts without modifications. All I need is PM wheel to drive them.

[primemignonite]

With all due respect, Bill, you rhetorically ask

"If you can't build a simple wind driven generator then what makes you think you'll have better luck building a Bessler wheel generator (assuming we knew how one worked)? . . ."

to which I rejoin with: because it is "gothic technology", as some clever writer once suggested, plus, it is "simple" inside, as the good and kind Landgrave Karl was supposed to have said (?), leaving the simple drudgery of the hewing of it to a mere "carpenter's boy", meaning, that any agencies of 'masters' were there not required.

As for the "generator" part, granted, this is a product of high technology, but can be bought off-the-shelf cheaply, and needn't worry any perfervid contemplating mind, excepting for the densest.

These two assumed facts point to one walloping differentiation existing, between all of the well-known sources of "free" energy, as cited before, and Bessler's truly unique one, one to be soon loosed upon a deliciously unsuspecting slave-master/Morganic corporate world of meters, harassments, and of torturous billings-unto-death! (Jesus!)

(Whoever it was that came up with the saying about death and taxes forgot "the rest of the story" - utility bills - which like rents, are the deadly enemy of the working poor. Make NO mistake about it - THEY LOVE IT! - those on the receiving end.)

No, Bill, I cannot yet in good conscience buy the argument that the advent of a Besslerian energy breakthrough would be just like all the rest, and, be too hard of construction. Upon the extreme contrary, I would set it. The promise of being truly set free of the energy slave-yoke, would INSPIRE those not yet adequately skill-equipped to learn!

In this coming circumstance of human progress, energy production will have to be SPLIT into two distinct classes so as to preserve the quite workable laws of thermodynamics, as-is. The other being the "laws of perpetual motion", as Bessler dubbed them. (Now, some damage may seem to have been done to Newton's Third, but in the end it will be realized to have been merely apparent, and not actual. Appearances are often deceiving, particularly initial ones.)

All the common types of energy production involving heat exchange, dirt, transformations of organic materials by fire with their left-over poisons resulting from those reactions, would naturally be relegated to a lesser class of energy production; while on the other hand, the pristine alternate requiring of no fuel, no heat, dirtiness, filth, rot, noxious left-over gasses or dissipations, in-general, would necessarily be classed a First Class-derived energy, the way-clear superior over all the others - no contest!

This will be the perfect way around the laws of thermodynamics problem: they simply will not "apply" to THE PRODUCTION ASPECT ITSELF, but of course naturally would as to bearing and air friction and all the rest of the 'givens', as regard mechanisms in-motion, generally.

As much as I would like to do the easy thing and go with the flow, alas, I cannot.

Woe, is me . . .

James

[docfeelsgood]

the people of the world have become lazy and gluttenous of energy !!! every thing has to be push button . frost free frigerators and freezers as an example . light the place up like the taj majhall . electric clocks etc. !!! then cry when the system falls apart or the power bill comes due . hell ride your bicycle . just a few short years ago we got along just fine without all these "play pretties" !!! can your own meat and veggies , cut your own fuel for heat . yep just plain laziness !!!!! shirk your duties just to relax on the couch watching football !!!
my answer to the energy crisis is get yerself a good ole tilley lamp !!! GOOD light and if your in the desert as me where it dont take much heat well it's warm enuff at night with that stingy buzzard !!! burn mineral oil not kerosene and it dont even stink . mines a ole bialaddin 300 x . from limey land of course . they dont make em that good no more !!! wouldn't take a lot of money for that rascal !!!

between the glow of vegas north and phoenix east almost dont need a light here at all !!!

Broli ; ask your grandpaw and he'll probey tell ya same thing . or J.C. as a youngster when london was ground level . well they did have a big church left !! bout all . bet John loved his Tilley !!!!! kept him warm there in that dreaded damp climate .

just pure foolishness !!!
"Doc."