My perpetual motion helicopter works great!

[justsomeone]

It worked so good, the first time I let go of it the crazy thing flew away and I still haven't found it. Sorry that was the only proof I had.
Just kidding. I just wanted to say HI and that I think this Bessler wheel is a great puzzle. One question... When someone figures this out (and they will) , Is the rpm's going to be limited by the speed of gravity?
Thanks

[Jonathan]

I doubt it.

[Fletcher]

IMO yep, if it uses an OOB system - it takes time to shift things around inside a wheel & then there might be limitations due to the acceleration of gravity not being surpassed, if it is a gravity based system ?

If his wheels had been true continuous torque then there would be no stopping them & the rpm should build & build - but, they were limited to an optimal rpm for the internal & external ratio's & design he used & they didn't keep accelerating indefinitely !

[AB Hammer]

justsomeone

Welcome to the forum and Fletcher is correct. The reactions inside a wheel has a time laps so this can and will regulate the speed. The fewer moving parts the better chance for a faster speed. CF also helps at regulating speed. So if you have a wheel spinning and CF causes a locking effect you will expect the wheel to surge, faster then slowing until the parts reset to do there job and speed up again.

[Jonathan]

I suspect that a working wheel could be designed to produce the same energy during each rotation, regardless of speed, which would cause it to accelerate until it breaks. Of course it would be better not to design it that way.

[broli]

Why you little.

On the other hand I love this forum. Any question goes answered without getting a rude "look it up in the forum" reply. Btw I don't think gravity will be a limiting factor. You got the thermal velocity among others and probably the centrifugal force if you don't use it. These will act as natural breaks.

And welcome aboard.

[rlortie]

If we are taking an opinion poll here, I agree with Jonathan.
IIRC Jim _Mich has also stated his opinion in the past that agrees with this.

A wheel creating any force beyond that required for self sustaining, will keep accelerating with each cycle. It starts each new cycle with the velocity already achieved. Centripetal detainment will be required to hold centrifugal in check.

Apparently (to my knowledge) at this point Patrick's wheel is self sustaining only, and has no accelerating capability.

Ralph

[turulato]

I'm with Fletcher on this one, centrifugal forces would put a break on the mechanism, when the forces are minimized then it would continue to turn finding its own equilibrium and based on the design that would be how fast it would turn. The closer the weights are to the axis the faster it turns, the further away, the slower it would turn.
Patrick's wheel is a real example of how the internals determine the RPM.
One thing is to discover the principle and another to optimize it. Lets just be thankful if we ever make a self sustaining wheel. One that keeps accelerating to infinity? Two different wheels altogether.

Turulato