The Bessler clue you hate the most and why!

[justsomeone]

What is the one clue that gives you fits and why?

Mine... Greed is an evil root.
Reason... Is he referring to not using to much weight? Not trying to get to close to the axle on one side of the wheel? Nothing to do with the wheel?
Not using to many weights? I think this clue will reveal itself after the solution is discovered.

[arjay30]

Greed is an evil root
how i look at it

Everyone wanted his wheel for free.
Bessler wanted to be paid for it.

so he didn’t tell us how he did it.

but did leave us clues so that we
had to do the work to be worthy of it.

he could not give it a way for free because of greed.



the one i hate is below
I would love to see a word for word translation.

"a work of this kind of craftsmanship has, at its basis of motion, many separate pieces of lead. These come in pairs, such that as one of them takes up an outer position, the other takes up a position nearer the axle. Later, they swap places, and so they go on and on changing places all the time." - pg 295

from http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... rtal:Clues

[daxwc]

Wagners first critique

XXIX

Almost no clatter and rattle was to be heard with the Draschwitz wheel; the wheel was made up of 8 spokes and was completely empty near the circumference, as one could see through the various cracks in the casing made of thin splinters, but there was not the slightest trace of a rising and falling weight to be heard or seen.

http://www.free-energy.co.uk/

That clue drives me crazy..."and was completely empty near the circumference"...wtf

[erick]

What is the one clue that gives you fits and why?

Mine... Greed is an evil root.
Reason... Is he referring to not using to much weight? Not trying to get to close to the axle on one side of the wheel? Nothing to do with the wheel?
Not using to many weights? I think this clue will reveal itself after the solution is discovered.

First off: Great idea for a subject.

Secondly: I had never thought of this clue how you just interpreted it but I have to say that is pretty friggin' brilliant. I had always sort of written this one off as a random statement by Bessler. The way you describe it, it makes perfect sense.

[justsomeone]

Thanks Erick. Can I assume you punched my green button? ;)

[erick]

Done and done.

[greendoor]

Full credit to author John Collins for use of his English translation of Bessler's writings.

"Greed is an evil root" I believe it is extremely significant that in his Apologia Poetica, this is the very first statement of the "the rich pageant of words which I now cause to shower down upon him! "

Remember this is a translation, and also that Bessler was well versed in Christian bible scripture. I have no doubt that this is basically the very same bible verse that is typically translated in the King James version of the bible as this:

1 Timothy 6:10 - "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

AFAIK Bessler would not have been refering to the English King James translation - his version was probably in Latin? or some other translation taken directly from the Greek? transcribed writings of Paul. I understand the word translated as money could equally be translated "gain" - and therefore can refer to more than literal money.

The words "greed is an evil root" seem to me to be about as good a translation of this scripture as any other, and I am sure this is what Bessler was riffing on when he wrote this opening line.

I believe it is significant for multiple reasons - and totally significant that it is the very first clue Bessler gives. The whole quest for free energy can be as consuming as gold fever, or Gollems's lust for the 'one ring to rule them all' ... then there are the consequences of other people's greed should you be successful in finding the secret ... this is a Pandora's box that you may wish you had never opened ...

But I also believe that once you know the secret behind the free energy gain - the essential Bessler principle behind the mechanism - you will know exactly why this is the first statement. I would like to explain more, but i've already said more than enough in the past, and without a working model i'm not going to add to the confusion.

So love it or hate it, don't ignore this first clue - whatever it means to you.

[Stewart]

"Greed is an evil root" I believe it is extremely significant that in his Apologia Poetica, this is the very first statement of the "the rich pageant of words which I now cause to shower down upon him! "

That isn't the first line of the "pageantry of words" but the third, as I've explained here before. It actually starts with two lines about Gärtner, Wagner and Borlach. There is also more to these first three lines than is immediately obvious, and certainly not perceivable without reading the original document. I've talked about this before under a topic about Bessler's Initial Letter Roman-Typeface Name Encoding. These three lines have some of the initial letters of words printed in a Roman typeface and not the normal Fraktur or Schwabacher typefaces. Bessler does this in other places to infer who he is talking about in a certain passage of text without actually naming them. In the "pangeantry of words", the letters used are G, W, B and refer to Gärtner, Wagner and Borlach - his three main enemies. Here's the original text of the 'greed' line for example with Roman typeface in blue:

Der Geitz ist eine Wurtzel Böß'

The three letters G, W, B are highlighted by Bessler and refer to his three enemies, suggesting that this line is about them. It also explains the change of word from the actual line in the Bible as follows:

1 Timothy 6:10
Denn Geiz ist eine Wurzel alles Ãœbels, ...
[For the love of money is the root of all evil]

Bessler changed 'Übels' to 'Böse' (two words meaning the same thing) presumably because he wanted to have the 'B' for 'Borlach' and/or wanted to rhyme it with the word Stöß' at the end of the next line.

The word 'Geitz' (modern 'Geiz') more specifically than simply 'greed' means avarice, the desire for or love of money, covetousness etc. See how it is used throughout the Bible here:

http://unbound.biola.edu/

(step 1: choose the German Luther 1545 as the first bible version, and your favourite English translation as the second; step 2: choose the whole bible; step 3: type the word geiz and click the search button)

At face value it would appear this line talks of Gärtner, Wagner and Borlach's evil desire to possess Bessler's wheel. Whether there's any direct relationship between the metaphors in chapter 46 and Bessler's wheel we could speculate on for hours. I have my own theories that this section could possibly be decoded or be used to help decode AP, and therefore I prefer not to fall into the trap of trying to fit the metaphors to specific wheel parts. As there is some doubt as to what this text is referring to I prefer instead to think about other pieces of text that we know definitely refer to the wheel.

the one i hate is below
I would love to see a word for word translation.

Here's the original text followed by my own translation:

Nemlich ein Kunst-Werck muß sich treiben
Von vielen sondern Stücken Bley/
Der sind nun immer zwey und zwey/
Nimmt ein Ding äusserlich die Stelle/
So fährt das andre an die Welle/
Diß ist bald hier und jenes dort/
Und also wechselts fort und fort. &c.

Namely a craftwork/artwork must drive itself
from many separate pieces [of] lead,
which are now always two and two*,
one thing takes the outward position,
so the other drives/goes to the shaft,
this is soon here and that there,
and so it alternates on and on**. &c.

*'zwei und zwei' = 'two and two'/'two by two'/'in pairs'
**'fort und fort' = 'on and on'/'without end'/'for ever'/'eternally'

I think this paragraph from chapter 43 is just another of the many references that Bessler makes to the fact that his wheel's motive principle was overbalance. It describes the classic principle of overbalancing a wheel by moving one weight to the rim and another to the hub and then alternating them to cause a continuous motion. What we need to do is figure out how he managed to continuously shift the overbalance weights.

Stewart

[justsomeone]

Thank you Stewart! You just eliminated the clue I hate the most.
Now I can solve the puzzle. LOL

[Chad]

Stewart the clue that you posted if im not mistaken is this one from J collins AP

So then, a work of this kind of
craftsmanship has, as its basis of motion, many separate pieces
of lead. These come in pairs, such that, as one of them takes up
an outer position, the other takes up a position nearer the axle.
Later, they swap places, and so they go on and on changing
places all the time.

Now i may be wrong but i don't think that this is anything to do with bessler's wheel because the following sentence implies that this was Wagners description that he said Bessler gave to him but Bessler says he didnt.

(This principle is in fact the one that Wagner
said he owed to me - but I was quite wrongly implicated, as I'd
never informed anyone about the matter.)

i may be wrong but that's what it seems to me and this may not be a clue from Bessler but a guess from Wagner at the principle of Besslers wheel?.

What do you think?.

Chad.

[Stewart]

i may be wrong but that's what it seems to me and this may not be a clue from Bessler but a guess from Wagner at the principle of Besslers wheel?.

I think it's both. I'm struggling a bit with that part in brackets though. Let's look at the chapter as a whole...
(NOTE: the following translations are my own and are a work in progress and not to be taken as a finished work or 100% accurate)

XLIII. [43]

Any other doubting-lion want [to] roar?
who first gets my permission;
then let him sit by it,
the work shall run without fear.
Because all interior figures,
perpetual structures,
maintain their free hunt/chase,
as I already said [in] year twelve;

We all know how Bessler likes his plays on words and metaphors - in this first part he's on a lion/prey/hunt theme! The German for 'free hunt' is 'freie Jagd', and when googling this term most of the results refer to the Luftwaffe where it means a fighter sweep. I also found references to it in hunting terminology as meaning 'gone-away', which is a term used when the quarry breaks out of cover and runs. Perhaps Bessler is referring to his 'perpetual structures' constantly fleeing their balance point or point of rest, or constantly hunting/chasing it but never obtaining it. (Note: when Bessler says 'the work' he is referring to his wheel)

want indeed [to] briefly describe it here also:
namely a craftwork/artwork must drive itself
by many separate pieces [of] lead,
which are now always two and two,
one thing takes the outward position,
so the other drives/goes to the shaft/axle,
this is soon here and that there,
and so it alternates on and on. &c.

I talked about this in a previous post, but notice the first line suggests what follows is a description of his aforementioned work/wheel. What it describes is a basic overbalanced wheel continuously driven by pairs of weights which alternate their positions between rim and axle. Nothing surprising here as he talks of his wheel being an overbalanced one in a number of other places and he's not revealing anything of his secret by telling us this.

(and it is precisely this principle,
about which Wagner [held me at fault]/[blamed me]
Und gantz unwahr auf mich gebracht/
Ich hätts Niemanden weiß gemacht;)

I'm still working on this bit in brackets, but I think it's simply referring to one of Wagner's tracts where he is criticising Bessler's wheel and discusses a basic overbalance principle, and Bessler is saying here perhaps that Wagner is making that stuff up as Bessler had not talked about the overbalance principle before now.

For now may everyone still guess,
through what kind of wonderful doings/deeds/actions
this turns/returns/sweeps heavily to the centre,
and that drives/goes upwards. &c.
Because I must not speak German here,
nor open all shutters;
want however [to] still put this friendly and willing rough/vague
notabene here:

Here, having previously described an overbalanced wheel principle, Bessler is saying that for now people will have to try and guess exactly how he maintains the overbalance (i.e. his secret) because he doesn't want to say too much or reveal all yet. However, it appears he wants to give us some advice/hints...

[he] shall be called a great craftsman,
who can easily/lightly throw up a heavy thing,
and when one pound falls a quarter,
it shoots four pounds up four quarters. &c.
Who of this can speculate,
will soon the motion perpetuate,
who however [does] not yet know this,
all that industry is in vain,

We've gone over the text of this key clue a number of times before on this forum and the gist of it is pretty clear. It seems we need to be able to lift a heavy weight with a lighter one a greater distance than the lighter one moves. He suggests that if we can achieve this we should be able to make something with a perpetual motion, and if we can't we're wasting our time.

I've run out of time for now and will continue tomorrow...

Stewart

[daxwc]

[he] shall be called a great craftsman

But does he say he is that great craftsman? No it is in third person; why?

Where does he say his wheel will "easily/lightly throw up a heavy thing, and when one pound falls a quarter, it shoots four pounds up four quarters?"

You have to watch what bessler says, he is crafty, doesn't want his design stolen and would be happy to deceive people without lying. Because in the end I agree with Bessler's "[he] shall be called a great craftsman" that could do this, but doesn't mean I know how to do it neither.

Just a cynic at heart I guess... sorry.