Do you think you will succeed in building the wheel if you are not religious?

[John Collins]

Why?

JC

[justsomeone]

Why? You said don't WAYSTE. Why because it will fall on deaf ears?

( or should I say eyes )

Please don't wait till your 6ft. under to find the truth.

Approach the bible with the same open mind that you did the Bessler story.

You may be surprised.

[DrWhat]

When I first discovered Bessler and thought I had the answer (naively) I was convinced I was getting signs. I walked into the hardware store and the parts i needed were exactly there. The perfect size.

I walked into a petrol station and the guy said "we just had a power blackout at the station". Then he said "good luck" for no apparent reason. I though wow, there's a sign.

Just the next day I bumped into a client of mine again who out of the blue discussed free power generation with me the year before. And there were more signs.

Now this was a couple of years ago. I thought maybe God is telling me to go for it. I'm on the right track.

I saw JB engraved on the footpath (like graffiti) during my morning walk. This was it. I'm getting there. So I thought.

Suffice to say there is no working wheel. Time has passed. Motivation has waned although interest remains high.

So what I am trying to say is that in this complex world if we look for signs we will find them. They will be visible because we are searching for them. Like if you buy a red car, suddenly you notice there are many red cars around.

If God wants to give one of us a sign, then God, don't muck around. Make it clear and concise. A full scale drawing would be ideal. Maybe leaving the parts at my door pre-cut. That would save a lot of time. Or else a vivid dream might do, like Bessler sort of had. But please don't make me forget it just after I wake up as usually happens! That would be a real shame.

Damian

[rlortie]

I totally disagree Ralph. If God chooses to give someone the answer

then it isn't even a fair contest! The question is, will he or has he?

As stated by PM I am believer but not a 'Bible thumper': I can only say that I feel he is working on it. During a severe heart attack I flat lined 27 times during a 380 mile air lift by a fixed wing turbo jet. I am still here, and have an obsession to find the answer, is that worth anything?

Seek and ye shall find!

Ralph

[justsomeone]

Ralph, I'm NOT questioning your faith just your statement that everyone would have an equal chance. ( paraphrasing ) I agree unless God
gives someone the answer. That's all I'm saying. I hope you don't keel over as soon as the answer is found!

[AB Hammer]

Blessed be the wheel makers, for their work shall perpetuate forever.

[ovyyus]

History tells us that religious people are as likely to fail as anyone else.

We look up and recognise images in the complexity of clouds. Our body is a pattern recognition/creation factory. Is it any surprise then that we might look at the unimaginable complexity of the world and perceive patterns of gods and demons? But the image isn't actually in the cloud, it's in the brain.

[Michael]

When I first discovered Bessler and thought I had the answer (naively) I was convinced I was getting signs. I walked into the hardware store and the parts i needed were exactly there. The perfect size.

I walked into a petrol station and the guy said "we just had a power blackout at the station". Then he said "good luck" for no apparent reason. I though wow, there's a sign.

Just the next day I bumped into a client of mine again who out of the blue discussed free power generation with me the year before. And there were more signs.

Now this was a couple of years ago. I thought maybe God is telling me to go for it. I'm on the right track.

I saw JB engraved on the footpath (like graffiti) during my morning walk. This was it. I'm getting there. So I thought.

Suffice to say there is no working wheel. Time has passed. Motivation has waned although interest remains high.

So what I am trying to say is that in this complex world if we look for signs we will find them. They will be visible because we are searching for them. Like if you buy a red car, suddenly you notice there are many red cars around.

If God wants to give one of us a sign, then God, don't muck around. Make it clear and concise. A full scale drawing would be ideal. Maybe leaving the parts at my door pre-cut. That would save a lot of time. Or else a vivid dream might do, like Bessler sort of had. But please don't make me forget it just after I wake up as usually happens! That would be a real shame.

Damian

Dr what I actually believe there really is something to the whole signs thing, especially the few you posted up, but I think it is more to do with the intent of the individual ( in this case you ) somehow causing like values to, well, gravitate to you. So free energy is on your mind, and somehow a like value ( which has a significance to free energy ) and one that is the closest to you in some way ( like your friend ) finds its way into your life shortly. So you see it can be more a case of sameness or value significance aligning and not necessarily signs appearing because it is the truth you are meant to be on. At least in this case where the mind, intent, is passionately fixated with something. At times, somehow, a real power is generated. To be clear, I'm not saying the mind doesn't see patterns in things that really aren't there when it obsesses, because that happens to of course. But this other thing also happens. Anyway, something I believe from documenting my own experiences.

[Ben]

I don't think it matters.

[docfeelsgood]

Lord Smoothbore ;

actually i think you flat lined 28 times . you just havn't realized your on the other side yet and remember "poltergeists wander freely through closed doors " [thanks J.B.] !!!!!

[John Collins]

I understand your point, justsomeone. I have no arguement with those who have strong religious convictions, I was merely responding to the thread title, which was an open question. At the same time I didn't want to encourage anyone to explain why they believe in God as that is a whole new, huge debate. I respect their beliefs and tend to avoid discussions about religion or politics because those two subjects are held with the the strongest conviction.

I have my own opinions on both matters and usually keep quiet about them.

JC

[rocky]

I apologize to everyone for going overboard on In My Opinion about Bessler and religion posts. I had a long time friend die and I was feeling blue coming home after the funeral and I had too much wine to drink.

I feel especially bad on my comment to JC. For all his years of researching and translating Bessler, if there is anyone on this planet that deserves to find the secret more, it is John.

I truly hope he succeeds in his quest an also all of you no matter what your faith or belief. From now on I will keep strictly to clues and the machine design.

Scott, you can delete this topic as I do not want to waste your bandwidth or storage even though it is Off-Topic.

Rocky

[daxwc]

Rocky, Christianity had its chance to shine, Besslers refused to release it. The world doesn't need religion to discover it and divide us, now it is time for humanity as a whole. I doubt God has that much of an ego that he (she) needs to take credit for an invention. There is no need to apologize, opinions are everyones right. Oh, and by the way I am a Christian, just in case you think it makes a difference.

[John Collins]

Rocky, no need to apologise to me, if I find the secret I'll be delighted and if you find it I'll be just as pleased. And if someone else does I'll be happy for them too. Just let someone find it - please!!

Then we can all raise a glass to old Johann.

JC

[primemignonite]

Rocky,

I thought both Bessler's and your words most compelling; rending-of-heart, actually. (Yet more of that silv'ry ring of truth so rare.)

If sane, one naturally does that which IS KNOWN to work, or otherwise plods a difficult path, one possibly leading to nowhere.

As regards THEIR OWN direction taken, as contrasted to that of Bessler himself, WHO from among us is yet a like-success, or anywhere near it?

The answer, if not the implication, asserts itself.

In the main thrust of your essay, Rocky, much clarity was made for those seeming few, still capable of perceiving.

As for the rest, fill-in the blank . . .

James