Are You a builder?
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Thanks Michael, due to my last wheel, I believe impact is not the answer. It is hard to control, too many losses and very destructive. I believe impact was needed, not exactly the prime mover, but a mechanical function of the prime mover.
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Michael... and these pieces attempt to be afterall - functional, but I wonder of their lack-there-of could classify them as art!........glorius failures indeed.If I had the money to back up my entrepreneurial interests I would like to gather all of the attempts people have made here in perpetual motion before they destroy them and put them in a museum
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Sure, I think so. "Art" fills a broad area. There's art with a purpose, art with no purpose. With this the trial and effort and reasoning put into each piece carry the meaning, even though they don't work as planned.
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Andy Warhol showed us that a can of soup made into art might have nothing to do with cans or soup :D
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Coylo,
That's not a bad idea, but we have to disassemble the ones we've made and reuse the basic parts for the next model. To reset the ball bearings to a new piece of plywood is way more work than reusing the one I have--not to mention the cost. Anyway, I learned what I needed to from that model. Time to move on to the next. But what is most importantistto be suretudied and learned what's wrong with the current model, and it takes time to know how to proceed in a forward direction. The real bitch is when you bottom out and realize there is no further work that can be done with a particular model. It's frustrating. I can't really say I get my hands dirty, though, because it's only sawdust. Not like doing plumbing, and I've done enough of that to know.
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I do have a pile of unusable plywood wheels in the garage that I hate to cut up or burn, just because I've put so much work into cutting them out.
The problem with this forum is that no one is going to share, at least I promise you guys I won't share the knowledge I've gained from hours of hard, frustrating work, unless it's maybe details, drawings, or photos of something that I know won't work. It would be foolish to give away all the hard work that I've not been payed for for nothing. I will say, though, that there is a very big difference between a 3d lead weighted model with all kinds of stuff going on (I'm thinking of some of the pics that have been posted of builds) and a computer simulation. You can lift this a bit, maybe stretch a spring, whatever, big difference. But still, I think we're all here for the same reason, and maybe it's not to share in our knowledge of what we've learned, but to support each other in the fact that we have a common goal.
That's not a bad idea, but we have to disassemble the ones we've made and reuse the basic parts for the next model. To reset the ball bearings to a new piece of plywood is way more work than reusing the one I have--not to mention the cost. Anyway, I learned what I needed to from that model. Time to move on to the next. But what is most importantistto be suretudied and learned what's wrong with the current model, and it takes time to know how to proceed in a forward direction. The real bitch is when you bottom out and realize there is no further work that can be done with a particular model. It's frustrating. I can't really say I get my hands dirty, though, because it's only sawdust. Not like doing plumbing, and I've done enough of that to know.
(Scott, this workprocessor sucks)
I do have a pile of unusable plywood wheels in the garage that I hate to cut up or burn, just because I've put so much work into cutting them out.
The problem with this forum is that no one is going to share, at least I promise you guys I won't share the knowledge I've gained from hours of hard, frustrating work, unless it's maybe details, drawings, or photos of something that I know won't work. It would be foolish to give away all the hard work that I've not been payed for for nothing. I will say, though, that there is a very big difference between a 3d lead weighted model with all kinds of stuff going on (I'm thinking of some of the pics that have been posted of builds) and a computer simulation. You can lift this a bit, maybe stretch a spring, whatever, big difference. But still, I think we're all here for the same reason, and maybe it's not to share in our knowledge of what we've learned, but to support each other in the fact that we have a common goal.
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And what's all this about a prime mover? The only way a wheel can work is if everything is the same equal all the way around. No one thing.
There is no such thing as a prime mover. Patrick added a sliding piece of wood to add sound to his wheel and called it a prime mover, and it seems like that's all we hear about anymore. Give it ups guys. There is no such thing as a prime mover.
There is no such thing as a prime mover. Patrick added a sliding piece of wood to add sound to his wheel and called it a prime mover, and it seems like that's all we hear about anymore. Give it ups guys. There is no such thing as a prime mover.
The Prime Mover is the force that causes a mechanism to move. Mechanisms are just parts connected together. If one part of the mechanism moves another part and that move another part then if you follow the movement backward then somewhere there must be the Prime Mover source of energy that caused the mechanism parts to move.
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Correct Jim. And that Prime mover source of energy is GRAVITY!!!
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Very well stated Jim and I could not agree more. All things must turn with the axle but we are not sure what happens from there.jim_mich wrote:The Prime Mover is the force that causes a mechanism to move. Mechanisms are just parts connected together. If one part of the mechanism moves another part and that move another part then if you follow the movement backward then somewhere there must be the Prime Mover source of energy that caused the mechanism parts to move.
@Ben,
IMO their is a mass or masses within the wheel that does depict and react to the description fitting a prime mover. A book sitting on the edge of your desk will not expend it potential energy until you either do one of two things. Either push the book off the edge or abruptly slide the desk out from underneath it. This is mimicking the use of a prime mover.
I cannot verify if Patrick had a prime mover, but I am inclined to believe that he did not.
Ralph
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Hey I just noticed this thread and I see that you mentioned me as a "builder".
This is true but I am not the builder I used to be .
There was a time long ago that I was convinced that I could crack this nut and would build every idea with great expectations of success.
My humble worksop is littered with the bones projects long since found to be unworkable.
I am at the present time building what could be my final attempt, since I have grown weary of failure and my bones tell me it would make more sense to sit in my recliner and take it easy.
If I do succeed that will be reward enough for me.
If I don't then I'll have given it my best shot and I'll head straight for the recliner with my cat sleeping on my lap.
Graham
This is true but I am not the builder I used to be .
There was a time long ago that I was convinced that I could crack this nut and would build every idea with great expectations of success.
My humble worksop is littered with the bones projects long since found to be unworkable.
I am at the present time building what could be my final attempt, since I have grown weary of failure and my bones tell me it would make more sense to sit in my recliner and take it easy.
If I do succeed that will be reward enough for me.
If I don't then I'll have given it my best shot and I'll head straight for the recliner with my cat sleeping on my lap.
Graham
Graham
My Grandfather lived to 96 years old. He died on the operating table for hip surgery. He gave me advice that I will always take to heart.
He said. Never consent to retire or it is a consent to death. You may retire form a job but never from your heart. For every friend of his that did, died shortly afterwords and every friend who worked on lived allot longer. But he also said it doesn't mean you can't go fishing either and enjoy life as well. LOL
My Grandfather lived to 96 years old. He died on the operating table for hip surgery. He gave me advice that I will always take to heart.
He said. Never consent to retire or it is a consent to death. You may retire form a job but never from your heart. For every friend of his that did, died shortly afterwords and every friend who worked on lived allot longer. But he also said it doesn't mean you can't go fishing either and enjoy life as well. LOL
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Thankyou Alan, there's truth in those words of advice. I shall take heed.
I'm heading back to the workshop right now ,my cat will follow I know. She always does, and will look at me as if saying "What in Gods name do you think you are doing" ??
Maybe she has more sense than I.
Graham
I'm heading back to the workshop right now ,my cat will follow I know. She always does, and will look at me as if saying "What in Gods name do you think you are doing" ??
Maybe she has more sense than I.
Graham
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So, then, Jim-
I'd be the first prime mover, and then each weight as it falls out of the center of gravity would take turns being the prime mover? If any one part is not equal to the rest, it will never continue to move. I still think there's no such thing, but thanks for the response. I respect yall's opinions. I just don't agree on this one.
I'd be the first prime mover, and then each weight as it falls out of the center of gravity would take turns being the prime mover? If any one part is not equal to the rest, it will never continue to move. I still think there's no such thing, but thanks for the response. I respect yall's opinions. I just don't agree on this one.
The wind hitting the blades of a wind mill was the prime mover that pumped water on the old farms. The water flowing over a dam was the prime mover that ground the grain into flour at the local mill. The horse pulling a plow was the prime mover that tilled the soil. I could go on but I hope you get the idea of what is meant by Prime Mover. It is the source energy that cause the motion.