I don't know about you guys, but I just yesterday became aware of the existence of Mr. Finsrud's homepage. Unfortunatly it is in Norwegian and I can't find an online translator that does Norwegian.
http://www.reidarfinsrud.no/index.html
Maybe Mr. Rustad can help?
Anyway, he is a great artist (though some of it is a little disturbing), and I'm very interested in his device. Again unfortunatly, I don't know about you all, but I can't get the pictures of the device to get any bigger. The cursor changes over them like you can click to see a bigger version, but it just takes you to the page you are on.
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FYI: Finsrud PMM website
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http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... insrud.htm
I have a number of files & pictures about this but will get to them maybe tommorow.
I have a number of files & pictures about this but will get to them maybe tommorow.
How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
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Oh good. BTW, that site is one the Links page of the homepage (here).
Anyway, I don't understand why more is not done with this device, it's been out for 6 years. Has he published any specs? I've done many experiments with 'chaos pendula' and don't notice any difference in how long they swing for. Maybe I'm not doing it right? They do do some odd things, esp. if you have a bunch near each other, but that's it.
Anyway, I don't understand why more is not done with this device, it's been out for 6 years. Has he published any specs? I've done many experiments with 'chaos pendula' and don't notice any difference in how long they swing for. Maybe I'm not doing it right? They do do some odd things, esp. if you have a bunch near each other, but that's it.
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A few years ago I took a close look at Mr Finsrud's 'sculpture' and the only thing I could get out of it was it has swinging pendulums that inter-react with each other. And the ball on the track acts like a pendulum also. Oh my gosh, I just realised, this is one pendulum reacting with another pendulum! That must be it!
Have you seen the video of the thing running?
As far a specs go, do artists make mechanical drawings for a work of art? No! He created it by many hours of trial and error and fine adjustments. Springs reacting to sway reacting to magnets reacting to inertial forces.
Have you seen the video of the thing running?
As far a specs go, do artists make mechanical drawings for a work of art? No! He created it by many hours of trial and error and fine adjustments. Springs reacting to sway reacting to magnets reacting to inertial forces.
How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
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Hello, I`ll be happy to comment on the Finsrud Device...
Been there and talked to Finsrud wich is a very nice guy by the way :-)
His machine is a "masterpiece" !!
Øystein
Been there and talked to Finsrud wich is a very nice guy by the way :-)
His machine is a "masterpiece" !!
Øystein
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It is, and it does seem real. I have heard one theory as to how it works in a non-free-energy way, but I won't post it until Mr. Rustad can answer this for me: Was the gallery it is displayed in ever very noisy?
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Do you mean the gallery in general, or noize from the machine ?
In general the gallery is VERY quiet, because it is far out in the country, with just a tiny road passing by, 6 meters from the house, with a car passing by every now and then..
The machine is placed in the cellar / basement with thick "stone" walls..
But the machine itself makes quite much noize, because I was able to observe the machine with the glass cover removed.
I could hear the machine up to the next floor !
I guess you reffer to the report saying that the machine may be picking up ambient vibrations ?
I think that is an absurd idea !!
If it would be possible to run a machine on that, you would have to some noticable vibrations in the first place, and you would have to have some machinery to recieve vibrations in phase !!!
Because Vibrations will have diff. frequencies, that only can be mechanically explotied when the reciever is in phase / reconance.
I think that would be just as hard as making a PM machine :-)
To recieve mechanical energy, from such small unnoticable vibrations, you would also have to have a very light and fast mechanical reciever.
Any mass / inertia would lead to an average value from diff. frequencies, and that would give a net 0 !
I think the machine is OU, and what makes his machine believable is actually that it stops from time to time.
In that way, it is not likely to believe he has mounted any external power input to the machine !!
The only physics explainable theory to me, is that he exploits the carolius force, as that would mean that the ball have diff. weight / downward force as it rolls one or the other way !
But then again, Norway would not be a good place to exploit that !
Øystein
In general the gallery is VERY quiet, because it is far out in the country, with just a tiny road passing by, 6 meters from the house, with a car passing by every now and then..
The machine is placed in the cellar / basement with thick "stone" walls..
But the machine itself makes quite much noize, because I was able to observe the machine with the glass cover removed.
I could hear the machine up to the next floor !
I guess you reffer to the report saying that the machine may be picking up ambient vibrations ?
I think that is an absurd idea !!
If it would be possible to run a machine on that, you would have to some noticable vibrations in the first place, and you would have to have some machinery to recieve vibrations in phase !!!
Because Vibrations will have diff. frequencies, that only can be mechanically explotied when the reciever is in phase / reconance.
I think that would be just as hard as making a PM machine :-)
To recieve mechanical energy, from such small unnoticable vibrations, you would also have to have a very light and fast mechanical reciever.
Any mass / inertia would lead to an average value from diff. frequencies, and that would give a net 0 !
I think the machine is OU, and what makes his machine believable is actually that it stops from time to time.
In that way, it is not likely to believe he has mounted any external power input to the machine !!
The only physics explainable theory to me, is that he exploits the carolius force, as that would mean that the ball have diff. weight / downward force as it rolls one or the other way !
But then again, Norway would not be a good place to exploit that !
Øystein
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Not to mention that the coriolis force doesn't act on such small scales.
You are correct, that is exactly what I was getting at. I didn't like the explaination from the beginning because I have never heard of a loud art gallery. Impossible! :)
But as to the theory, it says that it is a well known fact to clockmakers that pendulum clocks are sensitive to vibrations, and that is what sound is. Unlike what you have asserted though, given the exactness of his device, it is in fact very likely that it could recieve energy from sound vibrations. However, I don't think it's possible to extract enough energy from vibrations to make as much noise as you claim.
On his website, he has a technical looking drawing of it, but I'm not able to enlarge it, as I mentioned previously in a more general sense. Are any of you able to get it?
There are some things I don't understand though. The device seems to work, and many are convinced that he genuinly believes it works, so why does he not try to make more? Even of completely unrelated designs, I'm not aware of him pursuing this any further.
You are correct, that is exactly what I was getting at. I didn't like the explaination from the beginning because I have never heard of a loud art gallery. Impossible! :)
But as to the theory, it says that it is a well known fact to clockmakers that pendulum clocks are sensitive to vibrations, and that is what sound is. Unlike what you have asserted though, given the exactness of his device, it is in fact very likely that it could recieve energy from sound vibrations. However, I don't think it's possible to extract enough energy from vibrations to make as much noise as you claim.
On his website, he has a technical looking drawing of it, but I'm not able to enlarge it, as I mentioned previously in a more general sense. Are any of you able to get it?
There are some things I don't understand though. The device seems to work, and many are convinced that he genuinly believes it works, so why does he not try to make more? Even of completely unrelated designs, I'm not aware of him pursuing this any further.
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He is working on more free-energy projects !!
Also together with an energy company.
He used 10 years on this machine, and I don`t know if he has
time / energy to build another, he said he was on the way to insanity before he could get it to work !
He is an artist, and wants it to be a "mystery" about the machine..
Øystein
Also together with an energy company.
He used 10 years on this machine, and I don`t know if he has
time / energy to build another, he said he was on the way to insanity before he could get it to work !
He is an artist, and wants it to be a "mystery" about the machine..
Øystein
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I know how he feels, except he actually has a working one know.
You say 10 years, do you mean he worked on it continuously for 10 years?! Insanity, here I come...
You say 10 years, do you mean he worked on it continuously for 10 years?! Insanity, here I come...
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Hi John I too saw his site just the other day does this page enlarge the photos for you?
http://www.reidarfinsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html
http://www.reidarfinsrud.no/sider/mobile/foto.html
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Yes, that is the site that I said wouldn't let the photos enlarge. However, because you posted that and I happened to be on a computer I'm not usually on, I tried it anyway, and sure enough, it works. So it was just my stupid computer the whole time...
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Hey Mr. Rustad, now that I've seen the pictures, do you think you could describe what the various parts are? I know the ball, three pendula, and three magnets. That's all I can get out of it, though it seems like there are more magnets (those red things that hang way out there).
Another thing I don't understand, this device reaks of planning! I don't see scratches, places where things were attached but aren't any more, etc. If it took him ten years of fiddling, why is this not reflected in the appearance of the device?
And even if there was a meathod, a plan, or a general inkling as to how to make a perpetual kinetic skulpture, how on earth did he know it? And why is he not sharing it?
Another thing I don't understand, this device reaks of planning! I don't see scratches, places where things were attached but aren't any more, etc. If it took him ten years of fiddling, why is this not reflected in the appearance of the device?
And even if there was a meathod, a plan, or a general inkling as to how to make a perpetual kinetic skulpture, how on earth did he know it? And why is he not sharing it?
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From what I have picked up, the machine was developed in serveral phases, and I believe some parts was exchanged with "new" parts..
Many of the attachements has screws to tune / balance etc..
He first started pendula research in magnetic fields.
And found that magnetic pendulas in magnetic chaotic field, would swing as long as a "normal" pendula, but still have potential energy stored, if they was given a tiny push after they locked up !
They tend to lock up, in and outward angeled position.
In the foot of the machine, it is placed magnets, in chaotic combinations.
The 3 pendulas has magnets pointing down into the chaotic field, and some mass attached.
There are 3 red horseshoe magnets, wich is attached to each pendula.
As the ball is attracted to the horseshoe magnet :
each pendula also has a rod that the ball will roll over and push the pendula in "phase" with the swing and therefor the pendula recieves energy !
As the ball pushes the pendula arm down, the magnet also is lowered and weakens the attraction (resistance) to the ball as it leaves !!
THE FOURTH PENDULA, is inside the midle of the machine and is somehow responsible for the whole double bikecycle rim-track to slightly tilt in front of the ball.
The whole assembly more or less is attached to the main 4. pendula..
This pendula weight is 40KG !!
The 4. (fourth) pendula recieves energy from the swinging of the 3 pendulas and the 3 tiny red magnets at the top erea of the machine.
They are somehow movable, and moves down about 0,5 cm as the ball moves under them.
Self regulating speed :
If the ball moves too slow, the ball don`t push the rod on the pendula so much, because the rod is on its way down (swinging) and the ball recieves energy because it don`t feel so much mechanical resistance and the magnet is moving down freely as the ball passes by.
If the ball moves too fast, the rod (and the magnet) is on its top of its swing, and the energy is transferred to the swing of the actual pendula in case.
Less energy is also put into the ball from the magnet, because the magnet is lowered at a later point, amd the ball going by, is "held back" more...
As a resault the speed / RPM is always constant
Puhh... :-)
Øystein
Many of the attachements has screws to tune / balance etc..
He first started pendula research in magnetic fields.
And found that magnetic pendulas in magnetic chaotic field, would swing as long as a "normal" pendula, but still have potential energy stored, if they was given a tiny push after they locked up !
They tend to lock up, in and outward angeled position.
In the foot of the machine, it is placed magnets, in chaotic combinations.
The 3 pendulas has magnets pointing down into the chaotic field, and some mass attached.
There are 3 red horseshoe magnets, wich is attached to each pendula.
As the ball is attracted to the horseshoe magnet :
each pendula also has a rod that the ball will roll over and push the pendula in "phase" with the swing and therefor the pendula recieves energy !
As the ball pushes the pendula arm down, the magnet also is lowered and weakens the attraction (resistance) to the ball as it leaves !!
THE FOURTH PENDULA, is inside the midle of the machine and is somehow responsible for the whole double bikecycle rim-track to slightly tilt in front of the ball.
The whole assembly more or less is attached to the main 4. pendula..
This pendula weight is 40KG !!
The 4. (fourth) pendula recieves energy from the swinging of the 3 pendulas and the 3 tiny red magnets at the top erea of the machine.
They are somehow movable, and moves down about 0,5 cm as the ball moves under them.
Self regulating speed :
If the ball moves too slow, the ball don`t push the rod on the pendula so much, because the rod is on its way down (swinging) and the ball recieves energy because it don`t feel so much mechanical resistance and the magnet is moving down freely as the ball passes by.
If the ball moves too fast, the rod (and the magnet) is on its top of its swing, and the energy is transferred to the swing of the actual pendula in case.
Less energy is also put into the ball from the magnet, because the magnet is lowered at a later point, amd the ball going by, is "held back" more...
As a resault the speed / RPM is always constant
Puhh... :-)
Øystein
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So its just as complex as it looks. Well, I think I will stick to gravity wheels...
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