The Bessler wheel can be usefull for the building of any gravitic engine

[andre]

Hello PathFinder and all,

quite new in this forum, I've read all about wheels past days and I'm very admirative !
Particularly the PathFinder gifs are worth looking for a newbie as me ...
without any physical education; it's a pleasure beginning to understand what really can be home research and tests about gravitic wheels ans other Bessler ... Thanks everybody :))

@PathFinder : participez vous à un forum Français , mon Anglais est quelque peu rouillé, et j'ai la flemme de tout traduire pour les quelques passionnés à qui j'ai fait découvrir BesslerWheel ?

Best regards
Andre

[path_finder]

Dear Andre,
Malheureusement non. Il n'existe pas de forum en français aussi pertinent sur les moteurs gravitiques et Bessler en particulier.
Par respect pour la majorité des membres du forum (qui parlent tous anglais) je participe donc en anglais.
De plus, si on oublie quelques dérapages ponctuels, la tenue est correcte et l'esprit est plutôt participatif.
Je n'ai donc pas l'intention de changer pour le moment.
Pour une bonne compréhension il faut reprendre le raisonnement à zéro depuis l'URL suivante:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... eda3e1f2a6.


Sorry, but there is no french forum at all and so much pertinent on the gravitic engines and specially on Bessler.
Respectfull for the majority of members, almost english speaking, I'm participating in english.
In addition with the exception of time to time few slipperies, the behavior is correct and the spirit is almost participative.
Therefore I don't have any intent to move elsewhere for the moment.
For a better comprehension you should restart the explaination route from the begining, at the URL
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... eda3e1f2a6.

[path_finder]

For those members still suspicious on the COG position, this old shot should be useful:
the whole assembly (wheel+crossbar+weights) has been put horizontally on the neck of a blue plastic bottle.
Therefore the COG is the compilation of the mass M of the (wheel+crossbar) and the three masses P of the weights.
When this assembly rotates around the main axle, only the 3P force is active.

[Bessler_Supporter]

path_finder,
The animation you posted in the first post isn't far off.
The "inner" wheel needs to sit on the bottom of the outer wheel.
When the weight is at the top of the inner wheel, it can roll outward
on something supported by the outer wheel.
Then as the wheels rotate, the inner wheel would pick up the weight and lift it above the level of the axle.
The 2 wheels would need to be synchronized to maintain the over balance.
But it is doable (do able?).

[path_finder]

Dear Bessler_Supporter,
Many thanks for the suggestion.
If the inner wheel catches the weight from the outer rim for lift up it until the main axle level, how can you lift it higher again until the top of the outer rim?
The idea you are refering to, is used in the 'buzzsaw' wheel:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... vity_Wheel
wich is one of the numerous ways.
We are pretty sure that Bessler himself used two different designs (the first two wheels were unidirectional).
On my opinion there are a lot of solutions (perhaps using a limited number of similar principles).

[Bessler_Supporter]

Dear Bessler_Supporter,
Many thanks for the suggestion.
If the inner wheel catches the weight from the outer rim for lift up it until the main axle level, how can you lift it higher again until the top of the outer rim?
The idea you are refering to, is used in the 'buzzsaw' wheel:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... vity_Wheel
wich is one of the numerous ways.
We are pretty sure that Bessler himself used two different designs (the first two wheels were unidirectional).
On my opinion there are a lot of solutions (perhaps using a limited number of similar principles).

Path_finder,
I checked out the link. It's an interesting version of the concept.
It'd be nice if a bit more were known about it.
I was thinking of something a little different than that.
I'm not sure if a simulation could be made. The blue weights are over balanced. In what I drew, the weight locations are seperated by the same distance on both wheels.

[DrWhat]

Nice idea, but the inner wheel will tilt to the left when the "blue" weights are released from the inner wheel. It remains balanced on first inspection.

[Bessler_Supporter]

Damian,
>>Nice idea, but the inner wheel will tilt to the left when the "blue" weights are released from the inner wheel. It remains balanced on first inspection.<<
I was wondering if anyone would mention that.
This can be accounted for. The arms the weights roll on that are attached to the outer wheel would push down on the inner wheel.

[Bessler_Supporter]

Here is what the idea would look more like.
Think of it as a paddle wheel on a Mississippi river boat.
And the outer wheel serves as the water :-)
When the weight is on the paddle, it becomes over balanced.
As with anything in engineering, an outline is needed. And that is what this is, an outline.

[Bessler_Supporter]

Might as well give this one away also. With the paddles the weight rolls out on,
it acts on the outer wheel.
After passing bottom center, if the paddle could swing back a few degrees, then it would not be pushing up on the outer wheel.
This would mean that all the outer wheel would do is control the amount of over balance and a way to move the weights back to their starting position.
If necessary, the weights could roll closer to the center of the paddle wheel.

edited to add;
Have a nice weekend everybody :-)