When momentum, inertia or CF (all just different words for the same thing) are used to transfer energy from one moving object to another moving object then momentum is conserved. When leveraging is used to transfer energy from one moving object to another then kinetic energy is conserved.
The problem is simple. When you or I attempt to reset all the weights back to their original positions and speeds then the energy that is supposedly created is usually un-created and disappears. If you or I can find a way to create energy by transferring momentum between weights and then harness the increase of kinetic energy and also have the mechanism reset so that it can repeat again and again then we will have perpetual motion. Like I have said, this is not some new thoughts. Such concepts have been around since Bessler's time. The problem is in the doing. Go figure out a proven way how to do it. Then come back and crow about how easy it is and how ignorant we are. I predict it will be a very humbling experience.
Jim you are an interesting man. Creating energy seems to be something ordinary in your book. Once excess energy has been created it can be put back into the system to reset in a million ways. I described one earlier. Your creativity is your own limit.
Here's an example of what a single old man and some wood can do:
I use rims or cylinders because it is easy to calculate the mass and its radius of motion.
Rlortie points out that a pendulum bob has the same velocity as an object dropped the same distance in freefall. The Force times Time relationship is the same but in the bob the force is applied at an angle to the line of travel. So the time over which the force acts for the bob is longer than freefall, a lesser force (in the direction to the line of travel) is compensated for with a longer time over which the force acts.
Let’s say we have a one kilogram pendulum bob in a one meter pendulum. Let’s drop the one kilogram from 3 o’clock to 6 o’clock. At 6 o’clock the bob will be moving 4.429 m/sec, under ideal conditions it will raise to 9 o’clock. Let’s superimpose a one meter radius rim over the one meter pendulum. The balanced rim will have a bearing point and a mass of nine kilograms. The pivot point for the pendulum is the same as the rotational center for the rim. Now let’s attach the pendulum bob to the rim at 3 o’clock and let it all rotate. What do we know about this system?
We know that under ideal condition the bob will again reach 9 o’clock.
We know that the force acting upon the system is the same as the force acting upon the simple pendulum bob.
We know that the time period over which the force acts is greater than the simple pendulum.
We know that the rate of acceleration will be 1/10 (1 kg /10 kg) that of the simple pendulum, because now one kilogram is accelerating 10 kilograms. The bob at 6 o’clock has the same final velocity as freefall for the same distance but now the acceleration is .981 m/ses/sec..
This should put the velocity of the bob and the attached rim at 1.4007 m/sec at 6 o’clock; the square root of (2 * 1 meter * .981 m/sec/sec) = 1.4007 m/sec. Broli: see if your program says the same
This gives us 14.007 units of momentum at 6 o’clock. If all that momentum were given to the one kilogram it would rise 10 meters. After the bob receives all the momentum the bob must be released from the stopped rim, and the bob will rise (unattached) on its own.
The cylinder and spheres machine can be used to transfer all the momentum from the rim and pendulum system to just the pendulum bob. We then release the bob at 6 o’clock. The released bob has 10 times the energy of the entire system had at 6 o’clock. The unattached bob will rise 10 meters and the balanced rim will remain stopped.
The bob (moving 1.4007 m/sec) could be released from the vertical wheel onto the circumference of a second rim or wheel mounted horizontally. The second wheel could be driven by the vertical 9 kg rim mass wheel so that all the momentum of the first and second wheels is given to the bob.
I have transferred the momentum of a vertical wheel through a horizontal wheel and then into the overbalanced mass. I think this thread has picture of these wheels.
This is all achievable: only mechanical arrangement is needed to produce highly efficient, clean, and free, energy producing machines.
pequaide, could you please provide pictures so that I can understand what you are talking about? If you have previously posted pictures then please provide links to your post. (The link to any post can be found in the top left corner of the post under the "" icon.)
Jim I understand him very well now. Even though he seems to make these "one post experiments" every page or so :). Pequaide, you're human right? YES most of us already understand what you are saying but the big question is WHAT'S NEXT. You can't keep on posting the same thing over and over. You have to make some new progress.
As for your last post this is similar to something I had in mind. Basically the pendulum bob increases its radius and starts to suck the linear momentum out of the wheel. If it almost reaches 6 o'clock it may have sucked enough momentum to go back up.
In the simulation you see the release and a surface at the bottom which has its elasticity set to 1. In other words this can be a spring which bounces the weight back up. Since wm2d doesn't conserve momentum nothing interesting happens. But if it did bounce 10 times higher it would do work on the extra 9 units of height you gain.
Note that the red weight is moving along an invisible guiding rail attached to the wheel at all times. So it's never released from the system. I believe this is better than releasing it like Pequaide mentions.
Jim; there is a video of the cylinder and spheres machine on page 9 about the third post, February 19. It is poor quality and all the motion happens very fast. If you hit the red play button it will pause at a random frame. If you hit play pause enough you can get an idea that the cylinder stops as the spheres swing out from the cylinder. The tether crosses an open space in the cylinder and then restarts the motion of the cylinder. I can make DVDs but I can not put pieces of them on the internet.
In the DVD you can do a frame by frame, and then it becomes real impressive. The fact that the cylinder stops becomes very obvious. I can use more sphere mass and move the cylinder backwards if I choose to. Then the question becomes; where did the motion go. There is scant little friction; there is not even a bearing. Newton did not restrict his Law of Conservation of Momentum to only objects moving in a straight line, so what is the velocity of the spheres.
The early pages of this thread have pictures of the vertical and horizontal wheel interacting with the overbalanced mass. Those pages also have pictures (at rest) of the cylinder and spheres machines. Page one has a link to many other pictures from a different sight.
I will explore the link icon you mentioned but I thought I would give you this to get you started.
Edit: This video is way too short to see anything.
Give me a diagram or hand drawn picture so that I can understand what you are trying to demonstrate. Present your idea in such a fashion that it can be understood quickly before the observer looses interest and moves on.
Broli: the red mass has to be given the momentum that was generated in the yellows masses. An unwrapping tether works dandy. Placing the momentum of the three masses in the red mass is where you get your energy increase.
Pequaide, you don't need a tether. It just makes things more complicated when you scale the system up. A guiding rail keeps things simple and consistent. With a rail everything remains stable and don't get chaos of the weight lagging behind or wrapping back around the whole system.
As for your dvd's. You can send them to me in a letter and I can upload them for you. If I'm not mistaken you're from england which is across the pond from where I live being belgium.
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