bi-directional wheel idea

[Rufus Gartz]

Here is my idea for bi-directional wheel.

Using the following lines for inspiration from the wheel description in the AP, (copied from John Collins post):

Der Regen fliess’t, der Schnee der fällt;

hier wandern eine große Heerde

Man sieht ein Rad, und auch kein Rad,
Weils Felgen und auch keine hat.
Läufft ohne in’ und äußre Räder,
Zimbel-Gewicht, Wind und Uhr-Feder, x

Hier siehets halb, dort siehets ganz;
Es prahlet wie ein Pfauen-Schwanz. X

Es läuff’t zur Rechten und zur Linken;
Man darff ihm nur mit Fingern winken.
Es breitet sich die Läng’ und Quer’,
Hier ist es voll, dort ist es leer’;
Ein Ding besteh’t aus den drei Reichen;
Ihr habet hand-greiffliche Zeichen,
Ohn’ Schwefel, Salz, Mercurius
Auch bald ein Ding verfließen muß. X

Ein Krebs vorwerts und rücklings kriecht
Und ist gesund (wohl zugericht.)

- Look at picture of wheel, with the three large and three narrow segments and the circles in the middle, as shown at end of AP. Here treat the large segments (dark areas) as empty space and the narrow segments (white areas) as full to be the spokes.

- Idea interpretation 1. - Take a blank wheel. Apply the picture of the wheel as shown at end of AP to stand out from one side of the wheel and then extend this into three more layers to make a total of four layers. Rotate each additional layer by 30 degrees and you have what looks like a peacocks tail of 12 segments. This looks a bit like the middle of the wheels in diagrams 106 and 135 in MT.

- Idea interpretation 2. - Take a blank wheel. Apply the picture of the wheel as shown at end of AP to stand out from one side of the wheel and then extend this into three layers to make a total of three layers. Rotate each additional layer by 40 degrees and you have what looks like a peacocks tail of 9 segments.

If you make a wheel with four layers: put first layer starting at 0 degrees, second layer starting at 60 degrees, third layer starting at 30 degrees and fourth layer starting at 90 degrees. If you take the first two layers which can be ‘here seen as a half’ or if you take all four layers together which can now be ‘there seen as a whole’; then either will ‘boast as a peacock tail’.

Then put the correct number of weights in, either 12 or 9 respectively.

Start the wheel by only using the movement of your fingers.

When it turns you will have what looks like a herd of weights wandering around at the bottom of the wheel.

Also, while the wheel turns you will have what looks like a rain of metal weights beginning to flow (or flowing), and they will be falling at the speed that snow falls.

Now, I see a wheel and it is not just a normal wheel.

At rest the wheel will crab forward and backward at the speed of crawling e.g. rocking slowly. Bessler said that only a balanced wheel would rotate as a bi-directrional wheel.

OK, can anyone now tell me if this would work?

Or has my imagination just run wild?


Regards,

Rufus Gartz

[Jonathan]

This is some interesting and refreshing interpretation, but near the end I lost you. There are spokes in various possible arrangements, and weights of equal number. I'm not clear what these weights are doing, are they on the spokes? Between them? Or rolling around at the bottom (inside a drum), being perturbed by the spokes as they pass?
You said, "Bessler said that only a balanced wheel would rotate as a bi-directrional wheel.", but I don't rememeber that quote. He does say that having the weights farther out on one side doesn't work, but he also says there must be an excess impetus, and on both these points I agree. It seems like the latter contradicts your statement?

[Rufus Gartz]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

The wheel I describe has 4 layers, that is really 4 wheels glued to each other.

The 3 little black dots in each picture are supposed to represent the weights and their positions. The solid spokes and solid rim are shown as black. I surmise that the central ring as shown is the hollow axle that is mentioned somewhere in JC's first book as being an axle used in one of Bessler's wheels.

Layer_1 is at 0 degrees rotation
Layer_2 is at 30 degrees rotation
Layer_3 is at 60 degrees rotation
Layer_4 is at 90 degrees rotation

All_layer_contour is all 4 layers merged on top of each other and is what you would see, x-ray style, looking from the side of the wheel. It has 3 weights superimposed on top of each other at the centre of the bottom of the wheel.

I may have misquoted Bessler as the quote, from memory, was in regard to Bessler referring to comments made by Wagner.

As you can see, the top half (semicircle) of the composite wheel does have a similarity a peacock's tail. I printed it out and folded it in half to see it clearly.


Regards

Rufus Gartz

[Rufus Gartz]

This time, the wheel I am describing has 3 layers, that is really 3 wheels glued to each other or on top of each other.

The 3 little black dots in each picture are supposed to represent the weights and their starting positions. The solid spokes and solid rim are shown as black.

Layer_1 is at 0 degrees rotation
Layer_2a is at 40 degrees rotation
Layer_3a is at 80 degrees rotation

3_layer_contour is all 3 layers merged on top of each other and is what you would see, x-ray style, looking from the side of the wheel. It has 3 weights superimposed on top of each other at the centre of the bottom of the wheel.

As you can see, the top half (semicircle) of the composite wheel still has a similarity a peacock's tail. I printed it out again and folded it in half to see it clearly.


Regards

Rufus Gartz

[Jonathan]

I understand now. I'm sorry to say though that I'm pretty sure that neither version works. Any one layer alone wouldn't, and having multiple layers just averages it out, having the same effect that a flywheel attached to one layer would have.