ToyPage discovery: Anvil is NOT aligned

[rlortie]

Thanks Jon,

Fletcher's red line drawing shows the square angle I was referring to,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=

Here the angle is correctly emphasized and you can obviously see where the hammer will fall.

Ralph

[justsomeone]

I don't see a clue here also.... wink, wink

[ruggerodk]

Being experienced in carpentry I rely on the good old traditional framing square or equivalent.

Using a piece of paper extend your right angle red line upward like the blade on a square to a point that the tongue intersects with the center of the hammer. Now swing it to the left as will happen when the toy is activated.

It's good to rely on proved tools...but you also have to know where to use them properly...:
Sorry Ralph, but the right red lines are a reflection /dublicate of the left hammer-man's angle and the path when the right hammer-man is doing his hit on the anvil.

You show the right side trajectory not from the hammer head but from the hand that is holding the handle. I would not want to be swinging this hammer as I wish to preserve my right hand.

No, I do not. (read above)

The trajectory of the right hand hammer hitting is the GREEN line, with the angle from intersecting the mounting rod and the hammer's handle.

You will find that the hammer head will overshoot the anvil completely unless the top parallel bar with the anvil is shifted to the left.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear on the drawing:
The pivot-point of the two hammer-men are offcourse the point where the top-rod intersect with the vertical rod (on which the men are mounted)...

The socalled 'shifting' of the bar from side to side, does not have any effect on WHERE the hammer hits the anvil.

The figure on the right is holding the hammer at 90 degrees to the pivots, the one on the left is not!

NO it is quite the opposite!

What kind of tools do you have in your glass...? ;-D

If both were to be symetrical at 90 degrees then the the hammers would collide in middle of cycle.

Not if they were offset sideways...

[Stewart]

Stewart....good to see you are still around offering us your expertise ;-)

It's difficult to keep away! I've been making a concerted effort with the website and it's going well - I think I might be able to launch it very soon. I'm also itching to comment on John's latest information, but that will probably have to wait until the weekend now.

Stewart

[ruggerodk]

Thanks Jon,

Fletcher's red line drawing shows the square angle I was referring to,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=

Here the angle is correctly emphasized and you can obviously see where the hammer will fall.

Ralph

No, Fletcher's drawing is not correct...

THIS drawing below is correct emphasized....and NOW you can clearly see where the hammer will hit.

regards
ruggero ;-)

[ovyyus]

My version with Bill's copyright on it reads 'game' not games and it states it not once but twice...

Ralph, there is no version of any text translation with my copyright on it because I do not own any text translations. Please check again.

[Grimer]

Thanks Jon,

Fletcher's red line drawing shows the square angle I was referring to,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=

Here the angle is correctly emphasized and you can obviously see where the hammer will fall.

Ralph

No, Fletcher's drawing is not correct...

THIS drawing below is correct emphasized....and NOW you can clearly see where the hammer will hit.

regards
ruggero ;-)

And if we join up the two Cs on that Vesica Pisces style diagram with a centerline then the centre of that centerline is at the upper intersection of the two circles .....

vpvpvp

..... which is a point where one can transfer mass along the z axis from one circle to another without significant energy consumption.

[bluesgtr44]

Align his arms in the same downward position as the other guy and I think the impact will be more centered.


Steve

[ruggerodk]

Steve:
If you make a dublicat of the left hammer-man, and put it on the right stand....you then have two identical hammer-men.

Then...both hammers will still hit same place: Center of horizontal rod.

It's the circle swing path that are important.

BUT...the most important fact is, that the anvil (which I believe is a weight) is offset from the rod's centerline.

ruggero ;-)

[axel]

Yall's study of the swing paths here is interesting. I studied all about this kind of parallel swinging.
You are seeing the hammer guys in the upright position.

Turn them 180 degrees over on their heads and tell me what they do...

The two hammers find a balance point between them somewhere in mid swing and their cog is lowered as much as when they're upright.

Result? The cog is low at both the top and bottom of a circular path and the means either stillness if relying solely on hammer guys to power the wheel, or a force to overcome if using them as some sort of prime mover.

[Fletcher]

Or ... the hammer men could just be showing a convenient way to shift the CoM of a lever - sure the CoM goes sideways & also up & down a bit thru the transition.

[ruggerodk]

Hmmm...A suggestion or just a wild idea:

What would happen if each hammer head was a resting point for the whole arrangement?

I mean, if we imagine the whole arrangement swinging like a pendulum, hanging on each hammerhead on turn (shifting from side to side) ...?

Perhaps the upper rod could go through the center axle and the resting point a bit higher?

What would that do.

regards
ruggero ;-)