Jim, You mentioned " continuous gaining of inertial kinetic energy ".
Would this be a runaway wheel if no load was applied?
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No, my wheel will seek an optimum speed because it has weights that speed up and slow down. It takes time for a weight to accelerate and decelerate.
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Greetings Jim
In my wheel the weights move at the same speed and I will be interested what the top speed will be when finished. I have beaten the negative effect and have complimented the positive effect of CF, but gravity will make it run.
In my wheel the weights move at the same speed and I will be interested what the top speed will be when finished. I have beaten the negative effect and have complimented the positive effect of CF, but gravity will make it run.
"Our education can be the limitation to our imagination, and our dreams"
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan
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Here is an interesting experiment; it is probably worth the Nobel Prize in Physics.
The spinning bolas appears to return to its original configuration, from which it was released.
I tied two one inch spheres together with non-stretching fishing line to make a .246 meter bolas.
I held one sphere of the bolas under a stationary object (a bicycle handle). I held the stationary sphere string down and I extended the other sphere at 90° and dropped it.
I attempted to drop the upper, stationary, sphere as the lower sphere approached the down swing position. At the down swing position the lower sphere will have a horizontal velocity of 2.14 m/sec., immediately at release the upper sphere is at rest and the center of mass of the two spheres is moving 1.07 m/sec.
A short time after release the bolas is spinning away from its release point.
Here is what appears to occur.
When the one (originally on the bottom) sphere is at 9 o’clock the other sphere is at 3 o’clock, and they appear to have the same speed. If momentum is conserved this speed would be 1.07 m/sec.
The center of mass appears to be moving horizontally at (I assume) 1.07 m/sec.
Soon the sphere that was originally on the bottom is now on the top, and it appears to be stopped. This would leave the sphere that is now on the bottom (originally at rest on the top) moving at 2.14 m/sec, and the center of mass moving at 1.07 m/sec.
All the while the system is acquiring vertical speed, but this is totally independent of the horizontal speed.
Horizontal momentum is conserved under this apparent motion. 2.14 m/sec * 66 grams (with the mass of one sphere at 6 o’clock) = 1.07 m/sec * 132 grams (with the two spheres at 3 and 9 o’clock). But is energy conserved?
The original energy; with the spheres at the 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock positions is .1511 joules. .5 * .066 kg* 2.14 m/sec * 2.14 m/sec
The energy after the bolas rotates 180° is .1511 joules, less air resistance.
The energy with the spheres at the 3 and 9 o’clock positions is .07556 joules. .5 * .132 kg * 1.07 m/sec * 1.07 m/sec
The energy 180° later is .07556 joules.
So at the original release the bolas has .1511 joules of energy; after rotating 90° the bolas has .07556 joules of energy, 90° later it has .1511 joules, 90° later it has .07556 joules. With every 90° of rotation the energy of the bolas halves and then doubles; halves and doubles.
Proponents for the Law of Conservation of Energy are not bothered by a 50% loss in energy. The professor left 99.94% of the energy unaccounted for. They should however be bothered by a 100% increase from .07556 joules to .1511 joules. What is the bolas doing; reabsorbing the heat and sound?
The spinning bolas appears to return to its original configuration, from which it was released.
I tied two one inch spheres together with non-stretching fishing line to make a .246 meter bolas.
I held one sphere of the bolas under a stationary object (a bicycle handle). I held the stationary sphere string down and I extended the other sphere at 90° and dropped it.
I attempted to drop the upper, stationary, sphere as the lower sphere approached the down swing position. At the down swing position the lower sphere will have a horizontal velocity of 2.14 m/sec., immediately at release the upper sphere is at rest and the center of mass of the two spheres is moving 1.07 m/sec.
A short time after release the bolas is spinning away from its release point.
Here is what appears to occur.
When the one (originally on the bottom) sphere is at 9 o’clock the other sphere is at 3 o’clock, and they appear to have the same speed. If momentum is conserved this speed would be 1.07 m/sec.
The center of mass appears to be moving horizontally at (I assume) 1.07 m/sec.
Soon the sphere that was originally on the bottom is now on the top, and it appears to be stopped. This would leave the sphere that is now on the bottom (originally at rest on the top) moving at 2.14 m/sec, and the center of mass moving at 1.07 m/sec.
All the while the system is acquiring vertical speed, but this is totally independent of the horizontal speed.
Horizontal momentum is conserved under this apparent motion. 2.14 m/sec * 66 grams (with the mass of one sphere at 6 o’clock) = 1.07 m/sec * 132 grams (with the two spheres at 3 and 9 o’clock). But is energy conserved?
The original energy; with the spheres at the 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock positions is .1511 joules. .5 * .066 kg* 2.14 m/sec * 2.14 m/sec
The energy after the bolas rotates 180° is .1511 joules, less air resistance.
The energy with the spheres at the 3 and 9 o’clock positions is .07556 joules. .5 * .132 kg * 1.07 m/sec * 1.07 m/sec
The energy 180° later is .07556 joules.
So at the original release the bolas has .1511 joules of energy; after rotating 90° the bolas has .07556 joules of energy, 90° later it has .1511 joules, 90° later it has .07556 joules. With every 90° of rotation the energy of the bolas halves and then doubles; halves and doubles.
Proponents for the Law of Conservation of Energy are not bothered by a 50% loss in energy. The professor left 99.94% of the energy unaccounted for. They should however be bothered by a 100% increase from .07556 joules to .1511 joules. What is the bolas doing; reabsorbing the heat and sound?
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A picture pequaide is worth ... ?
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I presume it's not a big secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTxnFPDeb2U
Thousand of such as mechanism have been sold since 1883.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTxnFPDeb2U
Thousand of such as mechanism have been sold since 1883.
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
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These videos seem to demonstrate that P M is not a pipe dream, very interesting.
The clock appears to be driven by the bolas. so work is being done here !!
I wonder if it were to be "scaled up" it could drive something useful and do some real work.
PS , Mind you, it could be nothing more than a glorified pendulum. They don't show the whole clock so it could be weight or spring driven I guess.
Graham
The clock appears to be driven by the bolas. so work is being done here !!
I wonder if it were to be "scaled up" it could drive something useful and do some real work.
PS , Mind you, it could be nothing more than a glorified pendulum. They don't show the whole clock so it could be weight or spring driven I guess.
Graham
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Well, the clock is actually spring driven, I have a simular style at home. I have never seen it run without winding, nor does it unwind at a greater length of time then a normal clock. Not saying though that there could be something behind the bolas dynamics.
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The bolas can spin at any rate but its center of mass does not have to translate at the same speed as the circumference motion. By giving motion to only one of the equal bolas masses before release: the circumference motion is made equal to the rate of translation of the center of mass after release. If you hold one of the bolas spheres stationary the other sphere becomes a simple pendulum bob.
The circumference motion after release is half that of the single mass (pendulum bob) and the translation of the center of mass is also half that of the original motion of the simple pendulum bob (the lower bolas sphere). When a spinning bolas mass approaches the bottom the two motions (circumference motion and the translation of the center of mass) add, when a bolas sphere approaches the top the two motions subtract. Momentum always remains the same; energy fluctuates.
This spinning motion of the bolas makes the Law of Conservation of Energy an impossible concept.
The videos presented seem unrelated. The only thing I am talking about is dropping a simple bolas.
The circumference motion after release is half that of the single mass (pendulum bob) and the translation of the center of mass is also half that of the original motion of the simple pendulum bob (the lower bolas sphere). When a spinning bolas mass approaches the bottom the two motions (circumference motion and the translation of the center of mass) add, when a bolas sphere approaches the top the two motions subtract. Momentum always remains the same; energy fluctuates.
This spinning motion of the bolas makes the Law of Conservation of Energy an impossible concept.
The videos presented seem unrelated. The only thing I am talking about is dropping a simple bolas.
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Here is another interesting experiment. I do not advise that you repeat it unless you are an adult, or have adult supervision, and use sufficient safety precautions. It is dangerous.
I made two bolas. One bolas had two equal masses of about 227 grams each. The other bolas had a 289g end sphere and the other end sphere had a mass of 67 grams.
I accelerated one end of the equal mass bolas while attempting to hold the other end stationary. I released the stationary end of the bolas when it appeared that the end sphere in motion was headed straight up. It appeared that the center of mass of the bolas proceeded straight up.
I accelerated the large end of the unequal mass bolas while attempting to hold the 67g end stationary. I released the stationary end of the bolas when it appeared that the 289g sphere in motion was headed straight up. It appeared that the center of mass of the bolas proceeded straight up. The large sphere seemed to rotate in a small circle and the small mass seemed to rotate in a larger circle. The small sphere struck things with violence; I had more fear of being struck by the small sphere than being struck by the larger. But again the smaller sphere had a larger circle and it would come at you first.
Now greendoor: it is time to ponder what all this means.
We know that all rotating objects rotate about their center of mass.
We also know that this center of mass is also the center of centrifugal force; otherwise the center would be pulled to the side.
We also know that the center of mass is the center of linear momentum. A ten kilogram object spinning at one decimeter has the same linear momentum as a one kilogram object spinning on the other end (of the center of mass) at one meter from the center of mass.
We know that the center of mass is not the center of kinetic energy and it is not the center of angular momentum.
So when the 289 gram sphere transfers just enough linear momentum to the 67 gram sphere so that both can rotate around the center of mass: isn’t it logical that the large sphere gave the small sphere a portion of its own linear Newtonian momentum? Wouldn’t it be illogical to think that the large sphere gave the small sphere just enough linear momentum from a stockpile of energy or a stash of angular momentum? It looks like the large sphere gives the small sphere exactly half of it linear Newtonian momentum.
From observation it appears that the center of mass of the released bola proceeds in a uniform straight line from the point of release, knowing of course the independent effect of gravity. The center of mass seems to keep the same direction and speed that it had upon release. I believe this event is achievable if the original linear momentum is halved: divided equally between both spheres, whatever the mass of the spheres.
Equal division of the original linear momentum of the one sphere in motion: would mean that the equal mass bola would lose energy as the motion is shared between the two spheres. (½ * .227kg * 2 m/sec * 2 m/sec) is greater than (1/2 * .454 kg * 1m/sec * 1m/sec).
On the other hand the energy increases when the large sphere shares its linear momentum with the smaller sphere. ½ * .289kg * 2m/sec * 2m/sec is less than ½ * .067kg * 4.31 m/sec * 4.31 m/sec + ½ * .289kg * 1m/sec * 1m/sec.
Real world experiments seem to be totally indifferent to this Law of Conservation of Energy.
I made two bolas. One bolas had two equal masses of about 227 grams each. The other bolas had a 289g end sphere and the other end sphere had a mass of 67 grams.
I accelerated one end of the equal mass bolas while attempting to hold the other end stationary. I released the stationary end of the bolas when it appeared that the end sphere in motion was headed straight up. It appeared that the center of mass of the bolas proceeded straight up.
I accelerated the large end of the unequal mass bolas while attempting to hold the 67g end stationary. I released the stationary end of the bolas when it appeared that the 289g sphere in motion was headed straight up. It appeared that the center of mass of the bolas proceeded straight up. The large sphere seemed to rotate in a small circle and the small mass seemed to rotate in a larger circle. The small sphere struck things with violence; I had more fear of being struck by the small sphere than being struck by the larger. But again the smaller sphere had a larger circle and it would come at you first.
Now greendoor: it is time to ponder what all this means.
We know that all rotating objects rotate about their center of mass.
We also know that this center of mass is also the center of centrifugal force; otherwise the center would be pulled to the side.
We also know that the center of mass is the center of linear momentum. A ten kilogram object spinning at one decimeter has the same linear momentum as a one kilogram object spinning on the other end (of the center of mass) at one meter from the center of mass.
We know that the center of mass is not the center of kinetic energy and it is not the center of angular momentum.
So when the 289 gram sphere transfers just enough linear momentum to the 67 gram sphere so that both can rotate around the center of mass: isn’t it logical that the large sphere gave the small sphere a portion of its own linear Newtonian momentum? Wouldn’t it be illogical to think that the large sphere gave the small sphere just enough linear momentum from a stockpile of energy or a stash of angular momentum? It looks like the large sphere gives the small sphere exactly half of it linear Newtonian momentum.
From observation it appears that the center of mass of the released bola proceeds in a uniform straight line from the point of release, knowing of course the independent effect of gravity. The center of mass seems to keep the same direction and speed that it had upon release. I believe this event is achievable if the original linear momentum is halved: divided equally between both spheres, whatever the mass of the spheres.
Equal division of the original linear momentum of the one sphere in motion: would mean that the equal mass bola would lose energy as the motion is shared between the two spheres. (½ * .227kg * 2 m/sec * 2 m/sec) is greater than (1/2 * .454 kg * 1m/sec * 1m/sec).
On the other hand the energy increases when the large sphere shares its linear momentum with the smaller sphere. ½ * .289kg * 2m/sec * 2m/sec is less than ½ * .067kg * 4.31 m/sec * 4.31 m/sec + ½ * .289kg * 1m/sec * 1m/sec.
Real world experiments seem to be totally indifferent to this Law of Conservation of Energy.
Here we go again. Another text explained experiment. Pequaide, I don't know at which point you will get the message but you have to do something about your presentation skills. Either pick up a program like Adobe Flash to make animations or ask someone on this forum.
I want to help but at least answer the pm's or post in normal human language. It seems like the only posts you are able to make are posts describing experiments. Are you some sort of robot who is programmed for such tasks only?
Anyway, another gibberish filled experiment from my point of view. I won't even bother trying to understand the post if you are too stubborn to accept help that will cause everyone to understand the point of the experiment.
Here's an example of presentation skill you can learn from:
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/par ... m1l0s4ys/9#
I want to help but at least answer the pm's or post in normal human language. It seems like the only posts you are able to make are posts describing experiments. Are you some sort of robot who is programmed for such tasks only?
Anyway, another gibberish filled experiment from my point of view. I won't even bother trying to understand the post if you are too stubborn to accept help that will cause everyone to understand the point of the experiment.
Here's an example of presentation skill you can learn from:
http://knol.google.com/k/alex-belov/par ... m1l0s4ys/9#