Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[Oxygon]

Georg kinda talks like YODA...

"You helped so much with your doing"

"The wheel is using this princible, because it is living, it is alive, as a human being"

"Normally is is going faster and faster until the selfdestroying"

begun, the future has... yeesss...

Your "OK" Georg!

[jim_mich]

Georg kinda talks like YODA...

[Gravmaster2000]

I have read this thread with intrest for some time now, and I have a question regarding this post by Georg:

I think now you can understand me. Gravity needs time to act !!

"You need a time difference between left and right side of the wheel. "

Bessler used a Hit on one side, this is documented.
The hit is very short in time. Look at well balanced too, and jumping up.

The time difference line started me thinking...if a wheel turned slow
on one side and faster going up, (and assuming what Georg says here
is true,) doesn't that fulfill the time difference reqirement?
But It is too simple I think, sorry I treat things very basically.
But I would think no matter what the speed, a weight always
loses/gains the same energy over the same vertical distance.

I am stewing over an idea for a centrifugal driven wheel that makes
use of this idea..

[Jonathan]

We talked about this (only I replied, but I'd like to hear other opinions):
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509
I still agree with Georg in theory, that if the net force on a weight was exerted for a disproportionally long (or short) time, then a momentum asymmetry could be built into a wheel.

[Georg Künstler]

Thanks a lot Jonathan that you agree in theory. You had done good work with the math calculation of the besslerwheel(as good as you could with the given parameters). For the solution and progress you need more parameters that you can play with. You had investigate a lot of time for archimedes spirale and the outside 4 stamp weights. One, they had in common they are pulsating. For you it should be easy to detect this. The 'load' and 'unload' is like a saw shape function.

You will get more parameters soon.

the future has begun

Georg

[Georg Künstler]

to Gravemaster2000,

But I would think no matter what the speed, a weight always
loses/gains the same energy over the same vertical distance

This is correct, but in my constructions the internal wheel can freely fall forward, so the distance is variating and also the speed. So you can get a difference. Study the construction from the 7. August, and you will see it.
The internal wheel is not fastened.

the future has begun

Georg

[Jonathan]

I don't think the screw constitutes a pulsating load, once it is up to speed the water it draws up is constant, and so is the power that takes.
And now that you're talking to me again, could you answer this?:

And if I may bring it up again, there is still the matter of the double-incline-double-roller device which Georg claimed behaved a certain way, but which I experimentally and mathematically found that it didn't. I distinctly remember saying that I wanted clarification, that either I misunderstood or he didn't do the experiment to see if it works like he said, and he has yet to dignify it with a reply.
See post #1734, the last one on the second page of this thread; post #2000 in the "The Uphill Battle" thread in comm. buzz; and post #2804 in the "Parametric oscillation" thread.

[jim_mich]

I tried to model Georg's wheel using wm2d but the program up chucks. It can't handle the complexity. Wm2d does not have an internal circle function so one must be made from a polygon. And it does not have a partial circle pie type function. So that also needs to be made from a polygon. Georg uses 8 rollers, each with 3 segments and 3 springs. So it needs 24 segment polygons and 24 springs. Each polygon consists of many little straght lines. When the program runs each line must be checked for a collision. The shear volume of calculations slows the program down to a halt. My computer is older and not the fastest.

I have my doubts as to how or why Georg's wheel would work. But I wish him luck and hope he succeeeds.

[Sevich]

Hi all

Might be easier to build Georg's "Rupferer" in the following way:

The outside cylinder as pictured, does'nt need to be conected to an axel from it's center!! Have it placed on a straight smooth floor with the internal sitting inside, and it should keep moving in a straight line without stopping......(Assuming you can work out the internal combination)

Georg's "Rupferer looks simple and should involve only a hand full of different ways to work it out ...

My guess is this: Weights need to be manualy adjusted and held in place before being released so as to keep turning on it's own accord towards one side only!

Just my guess.

[coylo]

I have my doubts as to how or why Georg's wheel would work. But I wish him luck and hope he succeeds.

Well said Jim.

For what its worth, despite my doubts, our differences and disagreements.
May I wish Georg the very best of luck with all of his ideas and experiments.
After all we are all here for the same cause.

[ovyyus]

After all we are all here for the same cause.

I would like to think that were true, but I doubt that it is.

[Michael]

Hi George,

I know I've run this past you before but instead of posting why not just put up some video of a running wheel?

Reg.

Mike

[coylo]

Hi George,

LOL!

I'm sure the man's name is pronounced Gay-org.
(No joke intended, thats fact.)

[Oxygon]

Hi George,

LOL!

I'm sure the man's name is pronounced Gay-org.
(No joke intended, thats fact.)

If its sounds like your poking fun at someones name, I think that's a joke.

thanks for sharing...?

[Jeff L.]

"Gentlemen" (I use the term loosely),

I strongly urge you to dispense with the derogatory remarks and take Georg seriously and give him the respect he well-deserves as a productive member of this community. I can understand some of the frustration, due in part to a language barrier problem, but I strongly believe his talents and efforts WILL be recognized in due time, and some of you would do well to start preparing for a toenail feast..............................

Grow up and get serious, and stop wasting my time with sophomoric "humor"!

Jeff Langworthy