The Choice Is Yours

[John Lindsay]

I sent a more accurate diagram to Jim Mich of the Bessler wheel design concept which he said he was going to make for me... but I guess he changed his mind. If he would please put it through to this forum I would appreciate it. As I stated before I consulted with two of the most accurate "psychic-types" on the planet that said this is what he was doing. For those who believe in life after death, no doubt one of the first questions you will ask the "helpers" as you exit from this "field trip" will be "what was the Bessler design?". The chances of it being the SAME information that I asked about are very, very good. Of course you can wait until then, ....but what a pity. If you want specific particulars on the design just ask me. It has to made with artistic precision. It is now public domain as it should be. There is another way to make this concept (no scratching and bumping) but involves more precision-made hardware. The choice is yours. John

[Fletcher]

Hi John,

Go ahead John - post it up. I look forward to it & I like to think I've got an open mind. The last time I had trouble visualising how it was to work.

Are you able to easily explain its working principle ?

Bessler also said in Apologia that once he had discovered the principle of "excess weight" he was able to do two further things.

1. Build the mechanism without even using weights (in later wheels). IMO this implies that the mass of his gravity activated mech was sufficient that weights located on the mech became redundant, although that's undoubtably the arrangement he started experimenting with until the principle & its workings became very clear to him. (IOW's the interia of the mech was enough on its own for the principle to work !)

2. Once the principle was known to him then absolute precision & exactness in weights & measures was no longer necessary. (IOW's he could clearly see the imbalance of forces & could "tune" his ratio's/masses etc for maximum performance, so that even discrepencies between mechs could be overcome by the principle at work.)

IMO weights of equal volume, mass & weight were not fundamental to its workings. He was still able to achieve a 'balanced' wheel that demonstrated "instability/imbalance".

How does JB's findings "fit" with your thoughts ?

Regards -fletcher

[John Lindsay]

Thanks Fletch for your questions and comments. First off let me say that I have asked a variety of individuals and engineering, modelmaker, etc. companies to help me make this and most never call back or it's the "that's interesting! But that can't be it, because I'm the one who is going to figure this out.";) ...Oh well... Anyway, as I mentioned my provisional patent expired (on purpose) and since it has been published for a while here on Scott's fine discussion site it is now public domain. In a way, this is not really what I "wanted" the Bessler wheel to look like, but on the other hand if you wanted some really "insistent" gravitational leverage going on, what is happening on the bottom half of this wheel is hard to beat. I wish it was mine:). I had wished Mr. Jim Mich would have published the slightly better design that I sent him since he probably has the ability to do so-I'm at the library-so just refer to my old design in the old site interesting ideas area. If I had the expertise to make it, I would alter the chain or whatever length attached to the axles to about 25% of the radius of the the wheel/spacers instead of 1/3 as before so the bottom spacers are pretty close to the inside hub, less roll-over on top, etcetera. They are quite lightweight and thin wooden spacer/ wheels made of wood. with spokes I believe. The big thin "spool" that they are moving around in slightly is made of wood (with big holes for the axles sticking out on both sides of the spacer/wheels) for the split pendulums with whatever strategic bracing one thinks is best. Things are lubricated appropriately. The tilt is less than is shown here. My info was "it doesn't tilt that much". "They" said it needs a flywheel or it will operate in jerky movements. Essentially the weights are a function of two speeds that you can induce "tension" between the two forces (speeds and modest pendulum tilt) without the two tensions at odds with each other going into equilibrium. Gotta run...John

[jim_mich]

John,

Somewhere I have your design. Lets see, is it in stake 'A', stack 'B' or maybe about 9 inches down into stack 'C'? If I keep my eyes open I may find it in a few days? My memory is not good enough to remember the details. I should have scanned it into the computer then I'd be able to find it with a search. When I find and review the plans again I will remember everything. What I do remember is that the plans were sketches without dimensions, in need of some engineering. They seem to make use of some pre-existing drums or such and I did not know how big anything was. So lacking sufficient information I set it aside and oops, sorry, I forgot about it as I went on with the daily hustle and bustle of life.

[Tausen]

Did you say there was a picture of this somewhere?


T.

[John Lindsay]

There is a design in the ideas section, but the diagram is not very clear. I can send another better copy to someone if they would like with the equipment to post an accurate portrayal of what is going on. The spacer wheels are leaning on the inner hub on the upper half, they are leaning on each other on the bottom half of the wheel acting as a "cluster unit". John

[Jonathan]

I found it: http://besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/806.html

[John Lindsay]

Thanks for the link, Jonathon. I do have a slightly more accurate diagram of the concept if someone would like it. Sooner or later I will some how get this made. It would be "really nice" if "sooner", and perhaps a person in this forum in order to give Scott's site something worthwhile. Due to time constraints, I haven't had much time to get to the computer and answer all your questions. I trust everyone is doing well. John

[Fletcher]

Hi John,

I'd appreciate a more accurate diagram if you have one.

I notice in the old thread link that Tinhead posted up a sim detail of the disk & offset pendula. He was waiting for your confirmation on that design which didn't get answered. It was incidently how I visualised it also, so your thoughts would be apprceiated.

In Scotts description when he posted it up (on your behalf) originally he said the disks were attached by short 'chain'. How so & what is the movement limitations ? Is the 'offset pendula' attached to the center of the 'moveable' disk which is in turn attached by chain to what ?

Regards -fletcher

[Jonathan]

I think I can answer some of these questions. The pendula are pivoted off center on the wheels. The little rectangles in the linked picture accentuate the connection between the pendula pivots and the wheel centers. I'm not clear on why there are chains (seems to me it would be the same if the wheels and chains were left out, and the little rectangles pivoted directly on the spokes), so I can't say how long they should be. But as far as I can tell from the drawing there are two 'hulls' that limit radial movement, and the chain limits angular movement (the chains being connected to the wheel centers and the spokes).
My guess on the chains and wheels is that they allow the pendula to exert forces on the inner and outer hulls in addition to on the peg.

[Nathaniel]

Hey John,

I too would like a better drawing. I have thought about this design the past couple days. Most of the time when someone posts a drawing I usually can figure out the reactions, where the forces are applied and how the wheel would react. I'm not sure with your diagram and I would like to figure it out. Your design is very interesting. I would probably have to build a model, and I'd like the constraints to be as accurrate as possible - as close to what you visualise as possible. I'm not one to use the computer modeling as sometimes they can be imperfect (usually due to operator). Anyway, email me with info.

Nathaniel

[John Lindsay]

Thank you everyone for your interest. I will post an indepth explanation of what is going on and also what you would see from a side view angle tomorrow. I have a digram of this also which would be usefull too. Right now I have to run off to work. Cheers John

[John Lindsay]

Ok, let's do a cutaway from the side-so we have cut the mechanism in half and are looking at the side. It is essentially a big thin spool with a hub on the inside that the spacer/wheels are either leaning on the hub on the upper half or leaning on each other as a group unit on the bottom half. Let's look at the boom wheel, which say is 1 foot in diameter- starting with the axle for the spool then the hub with this wheel in it somewhat snug, but not tight. So it is wheel/ spacer, then spool wall then right next to spool wall, going outwards, strut coming out from center of the big spool wheel where you will attach your adjustable (necessary for fine tuning lengths) chain, cable or other flexible arrangement onto the axles of the spacer wheels. At the end of the axles of the spacer/wheels are the elbowed pendulums. These are not stiff to the axles of the spacer/ wheels but movable. This elbowed pendulum arrangement is such that the weighted secondary lever part leaves clearance from the end of the spacer/wheel axle attachment so that another fixed strut coming out from the center of the big spool wheel will have a short shaft pointing "inward"( this has to be postion adjustable also for getting the best affect) that runs into the flange of the secondary weighted lever for the tilting function since the cluster arrangement is moving slightly slower than the spool wheel itself. Look at it this way, if you gave this arrangement a spin, the weights would all be rotating around in there time/gravity/centrifugal force "assigned" positions. Gotta run. John

[John Lindsay]

Sorry, I have very limited time and days to get on a computer. So I didn't get to finish my explanation last post. John