Another really dumb Poponov question...

[nicbordeaux]

Starting from the beginning we're not missing much to attain "100% efficiency" from letting a weighted wheel spin vertically from standstill ( first part of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182feHKEB7U )

So, we have Bessler Wheels, Magic Wheels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_wheel , and now maybe a Poponov wheel.

The Poponov wheel illustrated (hopefully) below is a wheel with one fixed weight as per vid (actually, that is a magnet, two opposing polarities fixed onto metal plate, don't ask me why), and one sliding weight. Reposition that sliding weight if you want. Have it as a tube half full of water or SAE 40 even. Stick it on the other side of the rim (facing outwards) if that's better, Poponov doesn't care remotely. Try different proportions of weight between sliding and fixed. Try and control rate of slide by a bungee strap, anything.

Question is, all these hinged wheels, contraptions with multiple sliding weights (the building of which I really admire), they ain't working. Poponov doesn't believe in infinitely adding more complexity to a system because it don't work. It kind of gives Poponov a headache.

So, to the dumb question : why wouldn't a design like that work ? Is it the "jolts" and shocks slowing things down ? Is the weight translation not happening fast enough ?

And now for a not so dumb question : if this type of contrpation isn't working, and it isn't or we'd have heard about it by now, who can try different variables as described, describe excatly why it's not working, and from there see what sppeds etc would be necessary to make it work. And just build one ?

[laikkis]

It is not difficult to do that kind of wheel.

If you use two bearings and what I call legs then you are able to make ellipse movement. You can try that in WM.

pay attention to variable speed when wheel is rotating in two leg´s system :D [/img]

[laikkis]

Ellips movement

[nicbordeaux]

So if it's not hard to do, someone has done it, and PM already exists ?

[AB Hammer]

nicbordeaux

Here is one of my old experiments I posted on youtube over a year ago. What you showed is old hat for me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhskB-0S ... re=related

[nicbordeaux]

AB, your experiment looks nice, and I very much admire the build.

I don't purport to show anything, I asked a simple question :) If you mean the vid I showed with the mag driven wheel and the oscillated fork, it was just general principles, like hmmmm... what could be done with this... and actually this pertains to some claim I made. No rocket science or glory seeking there :))

So, this wheel of yours runs with an input (manual) which you can quantify, what is the runtime if that's info you're willing to impart ? And what's the decay pattern, you say constant 66 rpm. Constant like until the end of time ? What effect does harnessing it to do a small amount of work (some form of dynamo or drive to something mechanical) requiring energy of of a known amount have ?

Don't take offense, I'm not being bloody minded or anything, just curious.

[AB Hammer]

nicbordeaux

No offense taken.

For the first minute, you would be hard pressed to see a slow down. It ran for 6 minutes and it was a kinetic test that show positive and just another step on the quest. I think I might post another kinetic test that should prove interesting.

[nicbordeaux]

Well, 6 min runtime and a substantial mass by the look of the thing (again, lovely piece of work), I wonder how that compares to a flywhel ? Because if you are over runtime and decay rate of a flywheel by say 20 %, patent it and invest in some energy intensive business. 20 % edge on the competition !!!

[AB Hammer]

nicbordeaux

Without the arm it would only run for only 1/2 the time. As a flywheel it would not work well due to the vibration of what it will produce. But if you like flywheels? I have a very good one that might blow your mind. I am saving up money to patent it, and several other inventions I have already done.

[nicbordeaux]

Stick a provisional on it, that's 12 months protection, cost around 300 bucks. This is US, don't know about other places (provisionals). That gives you 12 months to flog it to somebody. US won't accept PM or OU claims, so you'll have to make a "devious" claim, like it will run for at least "x" hours, and as to purpose, state something like "windmill energy mechanical conservation, other applications are ......., non limitative".

[jim_mich]

US won't accept PM or OU claims, so ...

Not true! We have been over this topic many times. If you can prove that your PM or OU device does what you say it does (runs perpetually until it wears out, produces more output than input, etc.) and if the application meets all other normal patent criteria then the US patent office is required to issue you a patent. In the case of any perpetual motion claims the proof would normally be an actual working model.

[laikkis]

Same principle in Europ. You have to have working PM-device . Simple.

[nicbordeaux]

Well, mea maxima culpa an' all that stuff in Bolivian, and thx for pointing out my misunderstanding.