http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8051.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk
Since he has achieved a milestone it's worth a thread.
Yu oscillating Generator.
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Is this a joke?
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Why do you need more time? If the magnets are removed from the above video demonstration then it will still oscillate because the servo motor is lifting the pendulum weight each cycle. What does that tell you? This must be a joke.
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You don't need to make a horizontal version broli - if it oscillates & gains height then it should be possible for it to be released from just after 12 o'cl [perhaps in a smaller version] & make it rotary - then you don't need to turn the head with the servo - if it is getting energy from the magnet array then it should have more & more velocity as it goes over the top each cycle & increase in rpm - if it slows down then you could probably conclude that changing the head orientation with the servo was what was accelerating the system, & that of course was consuming electrical energy from the battery storage.
EDIT: or, you could simply make the head a 'T' instead of a "L" with equal mass each side but one side magnetic - then there would be no argument either but that would be too obvious a thing to do.
EDIT: or, you could simply make the head a 'T' instead of a "L" with equal mass each side but one side magnetic - then there would be no argument either but that would be too obvious a thing to do.
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As usual, time will tell. I'll check the vid to see whether the guy is explaining principles or actual operating, nut IMHO anything that requires a battery is going to be hard to get accross. Simple mechanical principles with no elec or other "fuel" input and nothing which would possibly depelete like mags is best.
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That's what I partially told him even stronger he should flip the magnet around as it is now. This would mean he would be shifting the magnet to a lower potential each cycle and thus removing energy from the system.Fletcher wrote: EDIT: or, you could simply make the head a 'T' instead of a "L" with equal mass each side but one side magnetic - then there would be no argument either but that would be too obvious a thing to do.
What is also ignored are eddy currents which would be pretty strong due to that shielding steel and the nickel plated neodymium magnet.
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I've looked at the vid, it's a prank or practical joke. Well thought out. "Overunity Working Mechanical" I think he calls it ? That rings a bell :))))
To power a fly swat it'd need to -even were it not a hoax- be 180 m tall. That kind of device can run, with mags on attract one side of swing, attract on other. And pedulum on a offcenter drilled wheel.
This particular device is just one big pendulum. With things hanging off it.
To power a fly swat it'd need to -even were it not a hoax- be 180 m tall. That kind of device can run, with mags on attract one side of swing, attract on other. And pedulum on a offcenter drilled wheel.
This particular device is just one big pendulum. With things hanging off it.
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It's hard not to be cynical when these things come up - one part of you wants to be charitable & say that the guy is a newbie, who hasn't studied any of the other threads on overunity.com & learnt anything from them, therefore is happily deluded & should be forgiven - the other part says nobody could be that ignorant & deluded at the same time therefore it is a deliberate hoax or joke - unfortunately my funny bone just doesn't get the joke anymore because it's the same joke over & over, different disguise - I think it's deliberate coz he went to the trouble of videoing himself & posting on U-tube with supposedly little thought about possible objections to his experimental setup or improvements he could have done to remove some doubts that would surely get raised - you just can't excuse it as the enthusiasm of youth & wanting to rush out his findings coz he just can't contain himself any longer & wants to save the world.
I think it tells us a lot more about human nature, attention seeking hero complex & the perceived worth of 15 minutes of fame in an otherwise dull life - perhaps he learned from milow & thought the downside wasn't to onerous, after all, milow got off pretty lightly by appearing good intentioned & gullible, even likeable to a degree - nobody slams them for being manipulators so I guess they are good actors & we just can't be bothered except to write short comments on discussion boards.
I think it tells us a lot more about human nature, attention seeking hero complex & the perceived worth of 15 minutes of fame in an otherwise dull life - perhaps he learned from milow & thought the downside wasn't to onerous, after all, milow got off pretty lightly by appearing good intentioned & gullible, even likeable to a degree - nobody slams them for being manipulators so I guess they are good actors & we just can't be bothered except to write short comments on discussion boards.
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Hi there, I am relatively new to this forum but have been following it on and off for a while now. I have definitely been "bitten by the bug" so to speak of harnessing gravity just as the rest of you here. I am a very mechanically inclined person with background in many different trades and fabrication including wood, plastic, metal, complex Rube Goldberg type setups for retail displays and sets, etc.... Most of my engineering aptitude is however self taught or book learned. I really don't often have much to say except I would like to say that some of you, IMO, may want to have a dictionary handy when preparing to post your thoughts, although typically you get the point which is being expressed. :)
To the point, a couple of weeks ago I had observed my young daughter swinging on the playground swing and had, from an objective view, noticed that by changing the way in which her body was oriented and pumping her legs it was possible to gain momentum and height. We all know this and have since childhood, as well we accept that this does take some physical energy to achieve this. Relevant to this thread IMO it appears more to me that by just changing the weight orientation at the correct moment he is increasing the momentum of this set up shown here. Maybe someone here has tried this at some point and can comment to the effect.
Anyway sorry for the drawn out post here I wanted to chime in because it seems relative to what I had noticed recently and also introduce myself to the forum.
Thanks, :)
To the point, a couple of weeks ago I had observed my young daughter swinging on the playground swing and had, from an objective view, noticed that by changing the way in which her body was oriented and pumping her legs it was possible to gain momentum and height. We all know this and have since childhood, as well we accept that this does take some physical energy to achieve this. Relevant to this thread IMO it appears more to me that by just changing the weight orientation at the correct moment he is increasing the momentum of this set up shown here. Maybe someone here has tried this at some point and can comment to the effect.
Anyway sorry for the drawn out post here I wanted to chime in because it seems relative to what I had noticed recently and also introduce myself to the forum.
Thanks, :)
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Welcome MuffinMan!
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Thank you!
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re: Yu oscillating Generator. Why it'll work. And how. Rotar
Righty ho, let's look at Mr Yu's "new" device seriously. I have my doubts (purely personal) that this "Mr Yu" realizes what he is showing, but as I've been pointing or trying to point in this direction for quite some time now, here it is.
The mag rail stuff is rubbish/not relevant, take your pick. Likely a red herring. The guy has the beginning or a workable concept. I'm adamant, huh ? I can be, I've been through that stuff. So here's the explanation to how Mr Yu's great Poponov oscillator can me made to work : rotary distribution of weight.
If you look back through my "poorman's patent" (thread called "working overunity maechanical, I think) drawing and other vids and posts, you'll notice the claim is exactly the same, eg mechanical overunity. Obtained by various means, the one I've discussed principally so far being rotary weight distribution on lever or "oscillator".
What the heck is the point in distributing weight thru 180 ° ? It so happens that the "gyroscopic" or whatever energy or force generated by the weight being rotated rather than slid or else imaparts much more force/speed to the beam or lever than other means of weight distribution. So you are using "G" twice if you have worked out how to use "G" to move your wheel, rather than a "servo"
To be perfectly clear about this, flying a weight round 180 ° from point a to point b of lever seperated by a given linear distance, will produce an increse in effect of at least 15% more than sliding that weight in a linear way from a to b. Almost independantly of the arc of that rotation, dia of bike wheel or whatever.
Don't ask me why, that's just the way things happen to work out. Naturally, the rotation speed of the distibution compared to the length of lever or beam needs tuning to get 30 % and way above.
If the "Great Wu Oscillator" has a longer rotary lever atop (by rotary lever I mean the offset thing with some mags on it), with more weight, and is properly tuned, the overunity may be such that the energy consumed by the "servo" motor is produced by the device itself. I say "may", but actually, it's fact. In the form shown in the "Wu vid", the offet lever rotating the mags is way too sort to achieve significant e.
There are many tricks which can increase the efficiency of rotary distribution of weight, and as stated elsewhere, other means than rotary, or combos of methods which will yield most significantly.
The main problem with rotary is that a whole load of torque and stress is being put offset into the system, which then needs beefing up very considerably once you are past the 400 gramme range. This contributes to making the system industrially unviable. Thus my continuing experiments with "hybrids" and completely different systems.
So call me a fool if you wish, don't whatever you do believe me outright, but if you get that rotary distribution right, you are looking at very serious purely mechanical OU. A thing which can not be named as anythig less than a gravity engine. Again; a point that I have made.
The return to point of departure movement in a pendular form or in form requiring weights at both ends of beam is almost automatic, but weight each end of beam is detracting from potential, because you are only budging a weight diffential, and the moment(s) of inertia are bigger.
Achieving full return to point of departure from the energy produced from the system and leaving enough residual to drive something significant is a "nicbordeaux Poponov" secret. For the moment, anyway :)
Anyway, cat out of bag, rotary distribution of weight on beam or oscillator or lever (different name for same stuff) is a minimum 1.2 factor for even the most ham fisted of us.
The mag rail stuff is rubbish/not relevant, take your pick. Likely a red herring. The guy has the beginning or a workable concept. I'm adamant, huh ? I can be, I've been through that stuff. So here's the explanation to how Mr Yu's great Poponov oscillator can me made to work : rotary distribution of weight.
If you look back through my "poorman's patent" (thread called "working overunity maechanical, I think) drawing and other vids and posts, you'll notice the claim is exactly the same, eg mechanical overunity. Obtained by various means, the one I've discussed principally so far being rotary weight distribution on lever or "oscillator".
What the heck is the point in distributing weight thru 180 ° ? It so happens that the "gyroscopic" or whatever energy or force generated by the weight being rotated rather than slid or else imaparts much more force/speed to the beam or lever than other means of weight distribution. So you are using "G" twice if you have worked out how to use "G" to move your wheel, rather than a "servo"
To be perfectly clear about this, flying a weight round 180 ° from point a to point b of lever seperated by a given linear distance, will produce an increse in effect of at least 15% more than sliding that weight in a linear way from a to b. Almost independantly of the arc of that rotation, dia of bike wheel or whatever.
Don't ask me why, that's just the way things happen to work out. Naturally, the rotation speed of the distibution compared to the length of lever or beam needs tuning to get 30 % and way above.
If the "Great Wu Oscillator" has a longer rotary lever atop (by rotary lever I mean the offset thing with some mags on it), with more weight, and is properly tuned, the overunity may be such that the energy consumed by the "servo" motor is produced by the device itself. I say "may", but actually, it's fact. In the form shown in the "Wu vid", the offet lever rotating the mags is way too sort to achieve significant e.
There are many tricks which can increase the efficiency of rotary distribution of weight, and as stated elsewhere, other means than rotary, or combos of methods which will yield most significantly.
The main problem with rotary is that a whole load of torque and stress is being put offset into the system, which then needs beefing up very considerably once you are past the 400 gramme range. This contributes to making the system industrially unviable. Thus my continuing experiments with "hybrids" and completely different systems.
So call me a fool if you wish, don't whatever you do believe me outright, but if you get that rotary distribution right, you are looking at very serious purely mechanical OU. A thing which can not be named as anythig less than a gravity engine. Again; a point that I have made.
The return to point of departure movement in a pendular form or in form requiring weights at both ends of beam is almost automatic, but weight each end of beam is detracting from potential, because you are only budging a weight diffential, and the moment(s) of inertia are bigger.
Achieving full return to point of departure from the energy produced from the system and leaving enough residual to drive something significant is a "nicbordeaux Poponov" secret. For the moment, anyway :)
Anyway, cat out of bag, rotary distribution of weight on beam or oscillator or lever (different name for same stuff) is a minimum 1.2 factor for even the most ham fisted of us.
If you think you have an overunity device, think again, there is no such thing. You might just possibly have an unexpectedly efficient device. In which case you will be abducted by MIB and threatened by aliens.
"Anyway, cat out of bag, rotary distribution of weight on beam or oscillator or lever (different name for same stuff) is a minimum 1.2 factor for even the most ham fisted of us."
OK - i'll bite .... do you really think so? I've thought about this principle before - it's basically Milkovic, just replacing the pendulum with a rotor. Which is what I would have thought was the obvious way to prove or disprove Milkovic, and I haven't spoken with anyone who has actually tried it.
I imagine that a high RPM would cause lots of problems ... would this work with a very slow RPM? Or have you found it to require CF forces? I'm thinking a heavy rotor mass powered by a highly geared flywheel could cause a very efficient horizontal displacement of mass.
The reason I haven't experimented is because I can see without building that the vertical dropping of the beam will rob angular momentum, which then has to be replaced ...
Curious ...
OK - i'll bite .... do you really think so? I've thought about this principle before - it's basically Milkovic, just replacing the pendulum with a rotor. Which is what I would have thought was the obvious way to prove or disprove Milkovic, and I haven't spoken with anyone who has actually tried it.
I imagine that a high RPM would cause lots of problems ... would this work with a very slow RPM? Or have you found it to require CF forces? I'm thinking a heavy rotor mass powered by a highly geared flywheel could cause a very efficient horizontal displacement of mass.
The reason I haven't experimented is because I can see without building that the vertical dropping of the beam will rob angular momentum, which then has to be replaced ...
Curious ...