you'll find that Isreal is a little bigger than it's borders might suggest.
Are you refering to the population of the Jewish people in Isreal, as being a fraction compaired to the rest of the Jews living elsewhere in most countries of the world, if not all ?
If that's the case ovyyus, then I think your right! ....."Isreal is the largest country on earth" ...not too mention their STRONG lobby groups "WOW"!
I guess they've got the numbers stacked in their favour.
I was going to leave it at that, but the quote below is worth following up on (and might as well do the same for all the others too).
It is physically impossible for the war in Iraqi to be an attack on their self-determination, because they had none before the war, it can't be negative, and so after the war it must logically be >=0, which is just as bad or better than before.
The US does care about the deaths, but the public doesn't care enough to really sacrifice to do something about it. (Clearly, since we aren't fighting in the Sudan too).
We thought the stockpiles were bigger than piddly.
It is okay to have WMD's just in case but not want to use them. But Saddam did want to use them.
Yours, ours, most of Europe, and a bunch of little nations that have little to give don't give support to the terrorists.
We care about what is right, as long as it doesn't cost too much. It doesn't cost us a lot to support Israel's right to exist, or Taiwan's, so we do it.
"I don't think the US should have invaded Iraq because I don't think there will be a winner."
Now this is an important statement, because Kerry said something like this and there was an uproar about it. It is not anymore possible to predict if someone will win in war than in politics. So with the line of reasoning given in my quote of you, how do you decide to invade or not if you can't be sure you'll win? The answer is not to stagnate (as that line of reasoning would lead to, since you can't really be sure you'll win), but to just do what you think is right and hope you win (and of course the hope should be supplemented with heavy amounts of hard work and determination). I think that the winner will be the Iraqi people, if only the naysayers will stop eroding the public's will.
As for my veiws, in the public at large there is no minority, it is split so evenly that half the polls favor each candidate at all times.
Sevich, Israel is breaking the rules? What about the "100 million Muslems" who want to destory Israeli just because of geography and a religious history that their tactics contradict? Clearly they both break the rules, so who is at fault? Both maybe? Or is it those who are instigating the rule breakage?
Disclaimer: I reserve the right not to know what I'm talking about and not to mention this possibility in my posts. This disclaimer also applies to sentences I claim are quotes from anybody, including me.
It is physically impossible for the war in Iraqi to be an attack on their self-determination, because they had none before the war...
I'm not sure, but I think what you are saying is that because the Iraqi people were ruled by a tyrant then they had no self-determination?
I would have to disagree. I think S.H. was part of the natural evolution of Iraqi culture and, like most evolutionary phases, would have run it's painful course in the fullness of time. But we'll never know how Iraq overcame its own challenges and weaknesses because, in this instance, self-determination was taken from them.
The real problem now facing the occupying forces is that a large and apparently growing portion of Iraqi citizens don't seem to be all that happy with their captors, or the thought of an installed ruling body that will be left behind when (if) they leave. If the Iraqi's are at least as proud and tuff as the Irish, then their battle for lost self-determination will certainly rage for generations to come.
Caring about what is right costs heaps if you're heavily invested elsewhere. That's a corporate approach - how much will it cost to care, can I make more if I don't? It is all about money afterall, isn't it.
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Hi Michael,
I enjoyed this little comic strip, it sums up the Bush/Cheney camp well.
Paranoia, suspicion and all round fun killers.
There is a good documentary series currently running on the BBC called...
"The Power of Nightmares" about how our Goverments (and in particular the USA) keep us in check by blatant scare-mongering. Most of which is either over-hyped or just untrue.
Hello! Brazil in besslerwheel votes Kerry! He's safer, much safer!
( btw, I thought that a man could also have a bush! Not so interesting, but still a bush! ) :] M. SP nov/01
