Plump Horses

[Music_man]

It seems to me everytime I try an idea and it fails it gets me thinking about a little different approach or sometimes a totally different approach. So Walter try your "last idea" I bet it will get you thinking of something else. I know what you mean thou I am new at this but I have already tryed springs and strings and quite a few different attempts. Have not run out of ideas yet. I have moved on from a few approaches that I think could work but are a little too complex to make a quick model to test the theory. I am sure it is stuff you guys messed with probably years ago, but I could throw an idea or 2 out there I am not working on if anyone wants to take a look.

Rick

[getterdone]

Hi Nick

Im an Acadian, in the US they would say Cajun, same thing. My ancesters came to North America, from the Gaule region of France ,in the late 1500s

We speak a very old kind of french, many of the words we use cannot be found in modern dictionaries, but they exist in the old ones. What Im trying to get to is that in the slang french that we use, "mettre la charue devant le cheveau" means that your getting ahead of yourself. So to me in that sense,if Bessler said to put the cart in front of the horse, he could be telling us to assume that the wheel will turn and use the wheel to move the weights inside. Does that make any sense?

its just a taught

[Ben]

Nick,
I think the weights cause the wheel to move, not the other way around. That's why it's a gravity powered machine. Otherwise, you're looking for a different source of power, as is ovyyus. He contends that once a legitimate source of energy is found (other than gravity) it moves the weights, or jellybeans, or whatever else is inside the wheel.
Ben

[Music_man]

Maybe its as simple as gravity moving one weight and that weight moving another one perhaps cart before the horse refers to the size of the weights

Rick

[FunWithGravity]

Acadian,

I agree with your assumptions, 100%

Dave

[docfeelsgood]

Acadia , isn't that referred to as "the land of the blue nose" ???

[getterdone]

@ Doc

You're right again , my ancesters were Blue-nosers, in what is now known as Nova-Scotia. The Brits did a little bit of ethnic cleansing in the mid 1700s and dispersed the population to make way for Brittish settlers Thats how half of my family tree ended up in Louisianna.

@Ben

I'll try to explain better what I mean. If you take a wheel, let's say 6ft in diameter, you put a weight at the 12 oclock. The weight as giving you energy until it goes past the 6 oclock mark were it will start taking energy from the wheel to lift it back up. It'll never make it back to 12 oclock, but you might make it to 11:45. The energy from your weight travelling on perimiter of the down side its stenght is consentrated at the axle, that's why Bessler used the axle to lift weights, and move the hammer mill etc. What I was trying to do in some of my builds is use the axle to shift a weight inside and then get that weight on the perimiter to go past the 12 oclock and around again

Its little bit of an over simplification, but that's what I meant by using the wheel to move the weight.

[docfeelsgood]

GITTERDONE;

I thank you for bringing up the acadians and cajuns . a quick google search filled me in on a lot of history i wasn't aware of . never did know the meaning of bluenose eather . history has always been one of my favorites .

looks like your ancestors had too endure a lot of hardship !!!

[rlortie]

Doc,

Knowing where you grew up I am surprised that had never heard of 'Blue nose potatoes. Do a Google search on it!

Don't miss this one! http://fifes.org/bluenose.htm

Ralph

[getterdone]

I never gave much thaught to history until one day me and my uncle ,who's over 80, seen and old rake for sale on the side of the highway. It was an International Harverters and in perfect shape. Then I started noticing that there was all kinds of old farm equipement in the feilds and behind the barns. I was amazed by the engineering. I couldnt beleive how much they could get those machines to do using only the strenght of horses to pull them and turn all the mechanism.

We've got over 40 in the collection. I still drool at the site of a freshly painted Farm-All tractor.

I think that's probably one of the things that got me interested in hystery and brought me here, hooked on the Bessler mystery.

[AB Hammer]

getterdone

I deal with a bit further past than you. LOL I specialize in historic armor and how it was made as well as old style machinery all the way back to the first known machine. Siege weapons, can be very interesting.

Alan

[nicbordeaux]

AB Hammer, that's most interesting. I'm currently building from really old oak (like iron really when you get down to the center) a device which I plan to use as a very simple demo of mechanical OU (might work, might not...), and also as a treuchet type launcher which could lob a pumpkin a fair distance. Do you have a good link to a site with clear, non nonsense explantions of lever lengths, etc ?

[docfeelsgood]

Alan ;

Do you dabble in spur making ???

[rlortie]

Nick,

Good place to start!

http://www.google.com/search?q=trebuche ... =firefox-a

Ralph

[WaltzCee]

Hello getterdone,

My boss wanted me to post this alternate definition.

Hi Nick

Im an Acadian, in the US they would say Cajun, same thing. My ancesters came to North America, from the Gaule region of France ,in the late 1500s

Coon ass: (n) the little brown spot under a coon's tail.

C'est le bon temp rollier.

Walter