An horizontal gravity wheel

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Somewhere in this forum the question has been expressed about the possibility to let work a gravity wheel in the horizontal position.
When I started my studies on the gravity wheels I was intrigued by the tentatives made by Mr Würth unfortunately unsuccessful with his 'Schwungscheiben-Maschine', where a video can be seen here: http://www.naturtechnik.de/pages/en/home.php.
IMHO the concept was good but unsuccessful because this kind of device can work only in 3D space like Tesla investigated it.

Incidently few days ago I was playing with an old demonstrator consisting in a circular plate, a central axle and a set of weights rotating around.
Acting the plate alternatively up and down on my knees I observed a very easy way to let rotate the set of weights with only a small force given at the right time by a single finger.
On a pure theoretical point of view this can be explained by this way:
first the gravity value can be adjusted as you want by the inclined plane, wich allows a variation of the gravity with any value between zero and G.
second the centrifugal force is null when the rotation speed is equal to zero, and the first seconds of the rotation can furnish only a small amount of force versus the gravity.
So far the only way to relativize the part of the gravity is to use an horizontal plane and then any other extra force can be efficient.

Before to build a more complex gravity wheel based on this concept I made some complementary studies.
The following animation resumes this concept and some additional parts are not represented.
The wheel is horizontal and can flip up and down along the yellow axle.
The motion of the plate (obtained by two wheels at 90 grades of the yellow axle) is sinusoidal and adjusted in precession of the rolling mass.
The mass is a cylinder weight linked to the red axle with a fixed length rod, rolling on the outer part of the horizontal plate.
The idea is simple: move the toppling plate at the appropriate moment by a mechanism linking the central red axle and the two actuators.
When full implemented I will publish a shot of this assembly.

Nota Bene: and if this horizontal wheel could be set in a vertical plane?
the motion of the red axle (exaggerated in the animation) could take place inside the elongated arms of the Bessler wheels.
Any comments?

[nicbordeaux]

Yes, that will work but in the manner shown the thing will wind down, eg decay and stop. From what little experience I have of playing with these things (wheels), how about rather than a big dip just a sharp one at the right moment ? Doesnt take much if the gravity acts exactly at the right moment. Just thoughts...

[ruggerodk]

Path_Finder: This is quite similar..maybe it could save you some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNs9El3nyBo

In my experience, the seesaw has to start going back up before the weight has made a 180° turn.

regards
ruggero ;-)

[iacob alex]

Hi !
If you visit www.evert.de and then seach information about Felix Wurth device,you can understand easy that Otmar's achievement (a perfect german handycraft!),is the next step...

Any connection with gravity or a gravity "wheel",sorry...in the horizontal position.

It's an interesting story,because,as I said before PM and inertial propulsion(energy and transport) have a common starting point,symbol.

If you have the "key",the main problem becomes how to use it...

Take this as a personal opinion...

All the best! / Alex

[path_finder]

Dear ruggerodk,
You are absolutely right.
But the most important is not explained in the video: how the motion of the hand is linked with the weight (for the moment by the eyes of the demonstrator).

Dear Jacob Alex,
Many thanks for your comment.
Could you please give more details on the Otmar's achievement?

After further reflexion this concept could be this one used by Gurbakhsh Singh Mann.
(for memory see here: http://gurbakhshsinghmannglobalenergy.com/biz/index.htm)
And in addition this could be also the same for the Paul Sully device
(for memory see here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Gra ... index.html)

But IMHO the conversion linking mechanism could not be so much difficult to setup.

[iacob alex]

Hi Path_Finder!
Take a look at their devices,so you can develop your own opinion.

Felix Wurth vs. Otmar is two arms vs. three arms.

Even more,Otmar's achievement,exploit is very fine...handycraft.

All the best! / Alex

[ruggerodk]

Alex: I've just searh the evert.de for "Felix Wurth": Not a single match.
Please leave a direct link - it's so much easier for everyone. Thanks
ruggero ;-)

[path_finder]

Apparently Mr Kilian Otmar Keil is not the inventor of the device but the former webmaster of the previous Würth company.
Mr Felix Würtz seems to be almost the original designer, although working really close from the Pr Evert.
The Web site of Mr Felix Würtz today is not accessible and I saw somewhere on the Web that the Würtz company disappeared.
Some data of the former activity seem to be recollected by Mr Kilian Otmar Keil in the following Web site:http://www.naturtechnik.de
An improvement of the original design can be seen at the end of this url: http://www.naturtechnik.de/pages/en/the-story.php
It's not clear in this last video if the new shown design is autonomous or not (if it would be a working device we should already be informed).
They propose the blue prints for 100 euros (150 US$) and estimate the cost of the materials at 1500 euros (2250 US$).

I explained in a former post why IMHO they are not sucessful, essentially for two reasons:
- first: the calculation of the COG path must take in account the weights of all parts of the frame, and not only the wobulating masses.
Looking at the iron heavy assembly in use the resultant radius could be less than one millimeter.
- second: the motion of the weights is only 2D (in a single plane) and not in 3D (in the full space).
In addition they are researching apparently the full levitation (that could be difficult with a so heavy assembly), instead to first apply the concept to a vertical gravitic wheel using an unbalanced system based on a difference of weight (even epsilon).

[path_finder]

The most important for me (related with the same concept) is the 'flowerbowl'.
After reflexion it could well be an excellent mechanism if put directly on the floor (with all additional parts).

[murilo]

Path, hi.
I would try some magnetic push at 12h and 6 h.
The place moves at only a quadrant and these positions looks to be a goal.
Best! M.

[path_finder]

Dear murillo,
please don't pollute the design with some magnetic materials! this is a blasphemy for the gravity.
There are some solutions much more efficient:
Refering to the first animation, you have just to actuate the two opposite 3:00 and 9:00 edges of the toppling plate with two excentrical pins located each on a small vertical wheel, rotating at the same speed than the central red axle (with a correct dephasing).

[murilo]

PF,
I'm sorry for the blasphemy...
At least for to drive the eccentric pins I suggest a little magnet. :(
Ops... sorry again!
OK... try an overunit with some batteries or AC current solenoids, or hamster.
Take care! M.

[DrWhat]

I like that, the "blasphemy". Brilliant!

[iacob alex]

Hi Ruggerodk!

If you take a look at : http://www.evert.de/eft377e.htm you can easy make a connection with the next step/achievement of Kilian Otmar.

All the best! / Alex

[path_finder]

After six years of studies, my personal opinion on the Bessler wheel
Note: everything below is MY opinion, and perhaps (certainly?) NOT the truth. To be taken as.

1. The wheel should be horizontal but has been demonstrated in a vertical position in view to squeeze the witnesses.
From this point of view are coming several consequences:

2. The wheel is perfectly balanced, even in rotation
This is needed by the vertical position.
Il the full balance is assumed the gravity has no effect at all anymore
By choosing the vertical position Bessler has voluntary driven the people in a wrong way, the inventers being inclined to believe in the gravitational solution.

3. The rotation of the wheel is obtained by the centrifugal force and the redirection of the rotational momentum
For a weight fixed on the wheel (on the rim per example) usually the centrifugal force is centered (passing through the main axis of the wheel).
Instead now let suppose each previous weight is itself a rotating assembly of several weights of different values.
For each weight of this assembly there is a centrifugal force, not directed to the main axis of the wheel, but now directed to the rotation axle of its group.
A clever geometry can combine all these elementary CF (including the CF of each sub-assembly) into an excentered force.

4. At the rest position the main axis of the wheel is centered by some springs.
Therefore if in addition, the wheel is balanced, the whole wheel will be standing.

5. After put in rotation by a sufficient push, the resultant of all centrifugal forces will drive the wheel
This resultant force can be redirected only if the rotation speed reachs a minimum value.

6. the main axis end first path is a spiral, then a circle
During the acceleration phase the main axis of the wheel leaves the orthogonal axis of the starting plane (like any top in rotation), until the precession torque will be equalized by the set of springs assuming until now the rest position (the springs are in violet in the drawing below).

7. An internal mechanism transforms the main rotation into several rotational motions
The tricky thing is precisely the used geometry for all these rotating sub-assemblies, which must keep their balanced position (against the main axis), but also must modify the direction of the centrifugal forces. I have some ideas about.

Additional comments:
- the drawing below shows the concept for a such as wheel in the horizontal position (the angle of the precession has been oversized).
- for sure in that horizontal position the set of springs is simple.
In the vertical position they must be ten times strongers.
This can explain the presence of the spring bars (see the elongated arms) for this purpose, the physical axle being returned back from the end (inside these arms) in the interior of the wheel for the feedback control of the rotational sub-assemblies.
- There is no other reason for explain the last task of Bessler: unsuccessful in his attempts to let recognize his pseudo 'gravity wheel' in the crazy vertical position, the only solution for him was to reveal an important point and enlarge the potential use of his wheel in a standard horizontal position (his last attempt).
- this concept is not new, as signaled earlier:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 7117#67117
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 9381#79381
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 0140#80140
and the small video here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 9720#79720
Just for the memory remember the attempt of Mr Würtz: http://www.naturtechnik.de/pages/en/home.php
And also the attempt of Mr Gurbakhsh Singh Mann : http://gurbakhshsinghmannglobalenergy.com/biz/index.htm
(seems to be down now by his childreen after he died).
- the level of usable power is much more important than any wheel based on an overbalanced geometry and the PE/KE (potential and kinetic energy)

edited:
the documentation on Mr Gurbakhsh Singh Mann updated by Preston Stroud (many thanks to him):
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... n_of_India