Can Bessler's wheel be patented?

[KAS]

Going back to what I wrote about Regional Development Agencies. I have since found out that most European countries have them. and they were introduced to help with the complexites of patenting and to take innovative ideas to the next step.

There must be something similar in the US, Aus NZ and most other developed counties.

I have just had a long telephone conversation with someone from my own regional development agency WIN (Welsh Innovation Network) and they said that an Idea would be judged by a panel of engineers on whether the idea or design is feasible or not. They would all sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA) witnessed by a contracted legal consultant before the design (preferably a prototype) is accepted or rejected.

They go through this process every month where they deal with 5 to 7 applications.

If the decision was favorable, the panel would then help with the patent documentation (wording and presentation) and arrange the funding necessary move the process forward.

This seems all above board and official, but then again, it is controlled by central government which of course means that they may legally block a design.

By the way, I didn't tell them what the invention was.

Kas

[teokox]

I know this question has been posed before but I didn't understand the full implications until now. ...

The Bessler's wheel cannot be patented because at least two basic requirements are needed.

Wikipedia source:
The patent laws usually require that, in order for an invention to be patentable, it must:
- be of patentable subject matter, ie a kind of subject-matter that is eligible for patent protection
- be novel (i.e. at least some aspect of it must be new)
- be non-obvious (in United States patent law) or involve an inventive step (in European patent law);
- be useful (in U.S. patent law) or be susceptible of industrial application (in European patent law).[/quote]

The novelty and the usefulness requirements, for obvious reasons, cannot be satisfied, so the Bessler's wheel cannot be patented.

I believe if you will find the secret escamotage that Bessler discovered to make the wheel functional, then you'll be able to patent it.

tk

[path_finder]

Apart the legal restrictions they are some other reluctant parameters and in particular the 'anteriority'.
As soon a patent for an effective working wheel will be accepted, there will be an enormous legal actions engaged by the 'former discoverers' for the annulation of this patent in name of the 'anteriority' or use of 'public domain' data.
You cannot avoid some people for loosing their money in the Court.
And how to counterfight the chinese, if they flood the world with devices using the patented principle? The whole fortune of Bernard Madoff will not be sufficient for the fees of the lawyers.

[John Collins]

I had to look up scamotage. I found escamotage (Italian) = subterfuge

What a wonderful word!

Thank for the input.

JC

[raj]

If you search for ' perpetual motion machine PATENTS on the WIPO or EPO, you may not find any. But if you look for gravity wheel Patents, you will find many.

The concepts are the same but the name of the inventions differ.

[jim_mich]

I also had to look up escamotage

escamotage
IN BRIEF: n- Juggling; Sleight of hand; Trickery.

The novelty and the usefulness requirements, for obvious reasons, cannot be satisfied, so the Bessler's wheel cannot be patented.

teokox, welcome the the forum. You seem to believe the same as the patent office and many others; that perpetual motion is impossible and therefor Bessler must have used trickery.

[teokox]

Hi Jim,

Thank you for your welcome.

First of all I excuse me with all members for my poor English. Really I'm fond of Bessler story and his wheels. I read the forum from 2005 and I decide to register me and now post. An escamotage is a trick and regarding Bessler's wheels is like the colombo's egg! I'm also sure Bessler's wheels were not a hoax and his wheels worked for months, but in my opinion he released false tracks.
Physicians, scientists and patent offices are right when say the PMM cannot work, but does not mean that other non-conventional devices cannot work as well.
Anyway you cannot patent a device that you do not know how it works and if can work primarily.

tk