Nic wrote:Is that figure bottom of page a rattle ? Also makes a racket based on high tension stuff being hit.
The figure at the bottom of the toys page that looks like a rattle is a unique type of toy top that uses gyroscopic action (inertial momentum, centrifugal-type force) to flip itself over when spun and released.
Thank you very much Jim, I'll try and find some links to the design. Does knowledge of how the hammer men toy operated live on somewhere ? Of interest of course, what exactly is being hit by the hammer, and how does it react... Bit futile really.
The hammer men toy is just a simple child's toy that mimics men at work chopping wood and hammering something on an anvil. I think Bessler was trying to show a mechanism while hiding it in plain sight.
The figure at the bottom of the toys page that looks like a rattle is a unique type of toy top that uses gyroscopic action (inertial momentum, centrifugal-type force) to flip itself over when spun and released.
The key words here are; 'inertial momentum, centrifugal-type force to flip over', the rest is irrelevant.
="jim_mich"]The hammer men toy is just a simple child's toy that mimics men at work chopping wood and hammering something on an anvil. I think Bessler was trying to show a mechanism while hiding it in plain sight.
I agree, but it is not all that hidden. One is rising while the other is falling, very little effort to change the over-all OB of both masses. Question is; in doing so does it maintain the same properties as found in the Roberval balance or will it shift the COM.
Ralph
JMHO but i don't think Jim has the weights on the mechanism in question. Do you Jim?
Dave
FWIW I had once pondered using this mech to mount the weights with the anvil being the fixed attachement to the wheel. And the other mounts being rotational. When on the ascending side the weights would rest on a resting ledge and be further in while on the desecding side the mech would lock and only transfer weight through the mount which was further out, (mounted sideways). Its funny when we look back and realise some of our ideas were so ridiculous. I like to laugh repeatedly at most of my old designs.
="jim_mich"]The hammer men toy is just a simple child's toy that mimics men at work chopping wood and hammering something on an anvil. I think Bessler was trying to show a mechanism while hiding it in plain sight.
I agree, but it is not all that hidden. One is rising while the other is falling, very little effort to change the over-all OB of both masses. Question is; in doing so does it maintain the same properties as found in the Roberval balance or will it shift the COM.
Ralph
As the anvil translates longitudinally with it' sbeam, force is applied to the "handles" (and vice versa). This might be "weights acting in pairs, one taking the other's place; closer, further to axis, etc etc " ?
Of interest is the upper of the two drawings, the "anvil' has a fixation system which might well be inconsistant with it being fixed permanently. Seems to be a pin. Either for adjustment, or recurring slide. Or even rotation :)
Anyway, who has built this one as depicted ? Don't tell me nobody, I won't believe it.
If you think you have an overunity device, think again, there is no such thing. You might just possibly have an unexpectedly efficient device. In which case you will be abducted by MIB and threatened by aliens.
It's easy, Winkle, I think, but I am having to make or adapt existing parts. It would be quicker to start from scratch. I know it seems to be taking for ever, but I have a life too.
You have remarked about your recent cold weather, you may find this of interest.
Wind farms produced 'practically no electricity' during Britain's cold snap - The cold weather has been accompanied by high pressure and a lack of wind -- something that could turn into a crisis when the UK is reliant on 6,400 turbines accounting for a quarter of all UK electricity demand over the next 10 years. (Telegraph; UK; Jan. 11, 2010)
Wouldn't it be nice to have a gravity driven generator setting at the base of each of these windmills running 24-7 and tied into the same grid only feet away?
Just another point proving that in my opinion wind generation is not cost effective. When these windmills are not turning they are still costing megabucks in what I refer to as 'flooring Charges', that is someone still has to pick up the bill for initial cost and interest on loans to build them.
It would be far better if those hypothetical gravity driven generators were right inside of ordinary people's homes or garages and providing whatever electrical needs or wants any of them happen to have with no more fuss or muss about it than that.
Just another, if slightly more important, household appliance that they'd own just like a fridge or a water heater and that no home should ever be without.
So no more masssive power stations or giant grids to pay for and worry about being adequately maintained for ordinary Joes and Janes, at least, nor bills that actually penalize them on top of that for using the very least amounts of electricity for their own most essential needs while the power companies and utilities turn right around and provide generous discounts to all the commercial and industrial users that are actually the heaviest consumers of all.
If you're going to change the world in some meaningfull way there's no better place to start than with ordinary everyday people and giving their daily lives a bit of a boost. If you could get that underway small, cheap, and easy to maitain electrical vehicles for their personal use wouldn't be very far behind to enhance that picture even more.
The potential of those kind of advancements to give people some real freedom, flexibility, and dare I say it, "power", over how they choose to live their own lives ought to go without saying.
The fact that it would also make them far more secure in both an economic and physical way at the very same time only demonstrates how much better that approach is than the blatant charade that claims to make them more secure by relentlessly weakening and compromising them on both those counts instead.
A proper fix ought to dispense with a problem altogether and make it just that much easier to begin to tackle others. If it's at all do-able, gravity powerered generators should and would be "ideal" in more ways that one when it comes to that.
Thanks for that Ralph. We are a country renowned for our foggy days (experiencing one right now!) where there is no wind. I think its desperation that makes wind farms seem like a solution. There is only nuclear power that offers any kind of real alternative and no one wants it here.
We used to be self-sufficient in energy once but not any more. We need the gravity wheel to work and silverfox has stated it exactly right, and imagine the employment benefits word wide at this difficult time.
