Oxygons "Slip-wheel" PMM

[Sevich]

Oxy.....I'll toy with your idea when I get a chance.

Rule nothing out!

[Oxygon]

Oxy.....I'll toy with your idea when I get a chance.

Rule nothing out!

Hope someone does...

I wasnt axactly sure what your picture was trying to show so I made a gif...

to better illistrate its operation...

NOTE: It appears "on my computer" that the server has altered the gif...

"click on it to view it properly..."

[Sevich]

hi Oxy,

Building is'nt all that difficult........here's a few pic's to prove it.

I was spured on by the website Scott posted. http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/rmodmk3.htm

The one that caught my eye was http://jnaudin.free.fr/htm/rmodmk1.htm

[Sevich]

Nice animation!!!

Will need to chase around for round magnets if one was to be built.

I guess block magnets could be used for the center section?

Will need to study more!

[Oxygon]

hi Oxy,

Building is'nt all that difficult........here's a few pic's to prove it.

various tools in background...

I was very satisfied by the inverted "christmas tree" experiment for the cyclodynamic siphon "Simple PMM" idea... it came out fairly well... I think in the end it cost me about $???

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20ft Plastic Hose: $15.00
four steel support rods: $1.99 each
Gas: 3 dollars... (wrong materials)

Failed Experiment: Priceless... "literally".

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It didnt work... but I feel it was my fault somehow, being that I distinctly remember a constant flow...

Haven't had time to attempt a larger diameter hose, etc... yet.

I suppose I'll give this one an attempt... Can't say I have the material, time or talent... I'll see what I can throw together...

still don't hesitate to try it either, if you find the time...

[Oxygon]

Nice animation!!!

Will need to chase around for round magnets if I one was to be built.

I guess block magnets could be used for the center section?

Will need to study more!

thanks...

I dont think you'll need a round one... just a regular magnet within a round structure... to reduce friction and allow "slip"

I suppose the central magnetic confinement "oval-like" structure could be just a box... as long as you keep the round shape of the magnetic axis...

I would suggest a plastic vaneer over wood... or some type of thin material with no grain over the wood...

[jim_mich]

Since it seems to be show and tell time here
is a magnet motor I built and here are the plans.

[Oxygon]

Since it seems to be show and tell time...

I don't know if this'll help it work...

The ferro-magnetic "drag" (eddy effect)... perhaps you could use a tapering field of many smaller magnets for the central magnetic influence... instead of such a strong singular field or an inner circlular periphery of magnets tapered to design...

imo...

[Jonathan]

I don't think this slip wheel will work either. If you have a weight on a string, and you twirl it around, you can make it speed up by pumping it with a back and forth motion like the center of this device has. I think the problem is that this pumping takes energy, and in this device that energy comes from the rotation.
(PS Sorry to be such a bummer all the time).

[Oxygon]

I don't think this slip wheel will work either. If you have a weight on a string, and you twirl it around, you can make it speed up by pumping it with a back and forth motion like the center of this device has. I think the problem is that this pumping takes energy, and in this device that energy comes from the rotation.
(PS Sorry to be such a bummer all the time).

On the contrary... would not a pull inward add energy by "centripetal" force...?

Actually increasing speed and torque...

remember the inner circle of magnets has a denser field in reference to the inner axial magnet then the outer magnet has with the wall (which since anchored by the axial magnet is restricted to torsional magnetic attraction)

imo...

[Jonathan]

"would not a pull inward add energy by "centripetal" force...? "
That's my point, that is what I was calling "pumping", and it takes energy to do that. That energy comes from the energy stored when the center magnet is twisted and becomes opposed to the inner magnet ring. And that twisting energy came from the rotation of the rotor. It seems to me that A powers B powers C powers A. If the energy released when the center magnet moves straight were greater than the energy it took to twist it into opposition to the inner magnet ring, then it would work, but I don't think that happens.

[Oxygon]

"It seems to me that A powers B powers C powers A"

;P

... that's how a perpetual motion machine works.

[Sevich]

Hi,

It finally works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's been running at 120 RPM's ((NONSTOP)) since yesterday!

Blood, sweat & tears seems to have paid off..."Yippy"!!!








just kidding ;-)

[Oxygon]

Hardy har har har...

:D

My take on the device shown is there is no way for the sphere nearest the end point to escape given the energy (pull) of the next sphere into the field is less than it takes to allow the end point sphere to escape...

"Axial Proximity" is the way to go...

here is how an idea of mine works...

Not quite your idea... but a singular armature that is allowed to complete a full "cycle" (12 to 12+) due to the influence of the axial proximity...

Near the end of the cycle the magnetic influence of the orbital track tapers to as close to the axis as possible...Making the armature into a lever, switching from the main motive power (magnetic and gravitational) to inertial...

[Sevich]

hi,

There is no way for the sphere nearest the end point to escape given the energy (pull) of the next sphere into the field is less than it takes to allow the end point sphere to escape

Looping a rams horn into a large figure 8 (two loops) might do it..?

Then again a single loop would do it better..?

Oh what the hell, I need a break from this! ....... taking time off to think.