Let's say a member here discovered....

[path_finder]

Dear james kelly,
Are you one more infected? see here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3797

[Richard]

Absolutely a Group effort. So then what group becomes the question..? shared members on Forums...I am going to guess not. The Genius here is not the wheel..your missing the point. The real Genius is The "Arrache" Orginization; How is that..please allow me this. There is an abundance of Talented and Knowledgeable persons who simply can-not manifest what they most certainly can envision..The purpose and goal of the "Arrache" Organization is clearly defined and is a public declaration. Would I trust such a group..? With my life I would. What is the price of Integrity these days....? These things are priceless. What is it to Harness gravity when the construct is so blatantly clear...We laugh at it..were in awe of it; Slips and Falls..Perpetuate that only and there it is.. it is no great mystery..indeed I've heard a " capenters boy could build one" Everybody does not need this technology now...but some areas of the world most certainly do. ..For all the discussions about bessler clues let me throw this one at you...

richard

[AB Hammer]

Welcome to the forum Richard

Alan

[Richard]

Thank you Alan and the entire skunk works team..it should ( I hope) be refreshing to many of you to have an infussion of eccentricity into the forum...Waste no time in telling me when I am out of line...I struggle with basic math it seems; This however does not detract from Genius scores of BMCT which actually has denied me work. ( couldn't be happy..whatever) some times we can not see the forest through the trees and such it is with Bessler clues so I stopped looking at the trees and took a good look at the forest...the picture is beatiful and equally unlocks the Bessler wheel and the many variations thereof. unlike many I am not here to glean. I know gravity and have no contemporary superior that I am aware of..but am so ignorant in so much..? No man is an Island and the combined intellect issueing forth from ( some of these discussions) is a very humbling thing to me. by now you all know that I also struggle with spelling..it's who I am... to thine ownself be true. I should never be remiss to allow my weaknesses shine through.

[justsomeone]

I am suprised no one really sold themselves. The original question was:

How valuable would you be to him, from that point on, if he goes the patent route and decides to take you along for the ride?



I know there are many talented people here. How would you be of value to him?

Thanks

[FunWithGravity2]

I'd be extremely non valuable to the person, i am not a good team player and hate authourity. I guess with a bunch a "A" type personalities with an independant inventive spirit i am not surprised noone wants to SELL themselves.


I would not think the person who would be able to invent a self sustaining rotating wheel would require much help from me or anyone else here on the board.


But thats just my 2 cents, its also why i don't believe invention organizations or helper groups stand to do much more than waste their time as well as others.


Crazy dave

[Richard]

justsomeone; Thanks for that. I can only answer for myself and that answer would "sell me" down the road quite frankly. I do not see any creative marketing skills I possess...It may come as a surprise ( given my emmence gratitude to "Arrache") indicating a real good team player...when in actuality I really struggle with a team effort. So consequently without a notable financial gain it is likely I wouldn't be playing second fiddle for someone elses success. Personally you would be disgusted with me if you knew how irresponsible I was with even the very little money have; And that simply can not reflect on me or my person to be of any help..In a nut shell summary I don't want to go along for a ride...I want to drive.....and please forgive me for completely ignoring the subject of your post

Richard

[rlortie]

justsomeone & FWG2

To sell an idea or product a good salesman must first sell himself on what it is that he is promoting.

I always read apprehension of trust in these comments. If you work or collaborate with another member or group you must learn that trust is a fundamental necessity for open discussion. you pick a partner or join a group by selling yourself that the party or parties are trustworthy.

Yes there are many talented people here, covering many field of expertise, not all dealing with gravity wheels. Ones value is seen for what they have to offer, it may not be in the innovation of a wheel design but useful in follow up research such as computer simulations, administrative and clerical duties. Even a tile setter has his place!

I know there are many talented people here. How would you be of value to him?

You put forth what you have to offer that is considered in your own mind that which is beneficial to the cause.

I'd be extremely non valuable to the person, i am not a good team player and hate authourity. I guess with a bunch a "A" type personalities with an independant inventive spirit i am not surprised noone wants to SELL themselves.

Independent innovative spirit is exactly what I look for. People who can think for themselves. Of what value is there in collaborating with some one who has nothing to offer but wishes to be along for the ride. A good team effort takes individuals who will add their ideas while debating input of others.

I would not think the person who would be able to invent a self sustaining rotating wheel would require much help from me or anyone else here on the board.

That is where you are selling yourself SHORT! It does not take years of empirical skills in gravity wheels to say; 'Duh' why don't you take that piece out and turn it around or something similar.

But thats just my 2 cents, its also why i don't believe invention organizations or helper groups stand to do much more than waste their time as well as others.

I totally disagree with this! Collaboration between members prevents tunnel vision. Always pair an optimist with a pessimist, eventually you will reach a happy medium and hopefully a winning product.

I started a thread seeking builders long ago for the formulation of 'Arrache', I then started a private forum (Gravity Solutions) here for the sole purpose of evaluating the input received. I found that the actual builders did not wish to participate. They did not see a reason to reveal their work to those that offered nothing but questions on "how is it going?

If you have an idea and you need help, you must first learn to trust those you seek for assistance. There are a number of members here that I trust, trust that builds integrity for me and for them.

When you choose a partner to collaborate with make sure he has the skills an resources you lack or are in need of. you do not need a freeloader as he is the one that will likely beat you to the patent office.

I am willing to sell myself as I feel I have and am a good product. It is called: What you can do for others for the benefit of all!

Ralph

[jim_mich]

It may come as a surprise ( given my emmence gratitude to "Arrache")

What is this obsession you have with Ralph's "Arrache" group? Do you get some type of compensation each time you pump their name? You mentioned "Arrache" in half of your all your posts and all of your last four posts. (2nd, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th,)

[LustInBlack]

Jim, don't you know that being in the "arrache" team or being acknowledge by the "arrache" team, you become someone cool!?

[rlortie]

for what it is worth, Richard submitted an idea to 'Arrache' for evaluation. The rest of course is confidential.

He has nothing to gain by mentioning us in his posts which I too am getting a little tired of. Richard is not affiliated with 'Arrache' and is not being compensated by exploiting the name.

The truth be known a false accusation was made regarding 'Arrache' and John Collins. I believe that he feels by exploiting us is a sign of forgiveness and to win our trust.

Richard,

Please stop referring to 'Arrache' in your posts, we have all the public recognition we need, sometimes more than I can keep up with.

Thank you,

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi justsomeone,

I would recommend that you took a member in each County along for the ride as this could spread the cost of the patent and you would have some one in each Country to run it for you, some thing like you patent it for me in your Country and we split any returns, then you have that Country covered.

With that said a patent has no value until some one whats to build it, and what I know of gravity devices is even if they work they are not commercially viable at the moment! so you may really be taking them for a ride, as in fact you could be a liability.

Regards Trevor

I am suprised no one really sold themselves. The original question was:

How valuable would you be to him, from that point on, if he goes the patent route and decides to take you along for the ride?



I know there are many talented people here. How would you be of value to him?

Thanks

Edit, spelling.

[justsomeone]

Ralph said:

If you work or collaborate with another member or group you must learn that trust is a fundamental necessity for open discussion. you pick a partner or join a group by selling yourself that the party or parties are trustworthy.

Sorry Ralph, been there done that and got stabbed in the back. Trust.....Yea right.

I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time thinking of all the designs you shared in your private forum. Was there any? I also was not willing to share with a group unless everyone was on the same page. We found out that is tough to do.


You can't trust for the sake of trusting. Even on-line predators may sound kind and sincere.

[AB Hammer]

Greetings All

Richard is in contact with me and if his designs prove positive his plans are, he will work through Arrache to promote them. He is also part of the Arache forum.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

[AB Hammer]

Ralph said:

If you work or collaborate with another member or group you must learn that trust is a fundamental necessity for open discussion. you pick a partner or join a group by selling yourself that the party or parties are trustworthy.

Sorry Ralph, been there done that and got stabbed in the back. Trust.....Yea right.

I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time thinking of all the designs you shared in your private forum. Was there any? I also was not willing to share with a group unless everyone was on the same page. We found out that is tough to do.


You can't trust for the sake of trusting. Even on-line predators may sound kind and sincere.

justsomeone

You are still reading way to much on what was said on a private string that was somehow opened to open forum. Your beef is with me, and I was only talking about caution, on how you came across. And it was my opinion only. IMO it is still a misunderstanding as well. I also said I liked you and I thought someday you would come around and be a productive future member. Which you blew for now after that by your actions. In a private group, we must be sure 100% of who is let in. But you are not out of the picture for the long run, IMO.