Can you imagine...?

[triplock]

Basically, my interpretation of what your recommending is that because the weighted planetary wheel has a cog offset to the left and up from the support housing cog, then this will induce rotation as a whole in a ccw direction.

Correct.

But, as the main frame rotates, the inner weight wheel, which is in perfect balance. will descend as a whole, thus losing pe.

To maintain this pe, the inner wheel will have to 'climb, up the descending side of the main frame.

If I've summised your design proposal properly, it will not work.

Chris

[raj]

The small cylinders are fixed between the inner and outer rims of the small wheel on its axle and the cylinders cannot rotate.

The inner rim of the larger wheel is in contact with the outer rim of the small wheel on its axle.

[raj]

Every thing can rotate only around the one and only axle of the small wheel which is supported on a stand ( not shown on the drawings).

As the drawings are right now, both the larger wheel and the small wheel, with small cylinders on its periphery, are fully balanced, and logically, the larger wheel will swing on the smaller wheel, acting as pivot, and come to a rest with the cog of the larger wheel just below the axle of the smaller wheel.

This what must happen if things are left as they are in the drawings right now.

But they many more elements to be added...
It will get clearer, as we procedd.

Raj.

[triplock]

I think I understand what you intend, and it certainly is an area worth investigating as it is fun.

Using a very similar principle, I can make a 'ball' roll up hill quite easily. Once the prime mover has fallen to the bottom of it's own relevant arc, then that down force is equal and opposite to the inclined plane force, thus a ball can be made to remain staic on a slope.

Chris

[raj]

Imagine 8 identical cylinders with arms and weights, able to rotate on themselves, fixed at equidistance from one another, at 45 degrees interval, between the inner and outer rims of the larger wheel, as shown in the drawings below.

Imagine the arms of the cylinders always staying vertical because of gravity acting on the mass of the weights.

Can you imagine this?

[path_finder]

Dear raj,
Without any other extra part (like some human like here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jv24jXw2YI), your last drawing is nothing else than a microwave plate , with the exception this plate is vertical and in the same plane than the gravity field.
I would be surprised in that state if this plate rotates by itself. Waiting more.

[raj]

We are coming to the end of our imaging exercises.

We have imagined, so far, two non-metallic wheels, one larger with 8 identical cylinders/arms/weights that can freely rotate on themselves at their fix point and a smaller wheel with fixed cylinders close to one another on the periphery of the wheels.

We have imagined both wheels, separately each in perfect and fully balance.

Imagine now, that ALL the cylinders are MAGNETS (Diametrically magnetised strong magnets).

Image (with an open mind) the inherent properties of magnets, as shown on the drawings below.

Can you imagine this?

[raj]

Here's the drawings.

[raj]

This is the end of my presentation, as we, all together, have imagined it.

Below are two drawings, (one front view and the other, lateral view) of the two wheels, one larger and one smaller, on one and the same axle, with the centre of gravity of the larger wheel, continuously off clockwise from the axle.

Now! can you imagine this?

[path_finder]

Dear raj,
Your final design seems to be a revisitation of the SEG (Searl Effect Generator) of Pr Searl:
see here a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MHu828L9cs
I suggest to you these pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... _%28SEG%29

As explained many times before I'm NOT interested by the magnetic engines.
The besslerwheel.com forum is dedicated to the solutions using the gravity, and this is the only reason why I'm posting here.
They are so many other (good) forums on the magnets but it's not my concern.
Don't by surprised if I don't answer anymore in the future to any post from you, if based on magnets.

[raj]

Greetings to the bright guys/gals of this forum!

I cannot remember anything about Bessler's wheel this morning. It must be Icelandic dust shadowing after effect on my brain.

Could you kindly remind me of the following, so that I can carry on with my search of a gravity cum anything else wheel?

1. Has anyone identified every single piece of material Bessler used in his wheel and if yes, could a list of those items be listed here?

2. Gravity is a conservative force, we are constantly being told.
As such, can it be used to make a gravity (pmm) wheel?
Can it be proved that Bessler used only the force of Gravity to turn his wheels?

3. What kind of other force did Bessler used to turn his wheels?

4. Bessler had lodestones in his possessions. Why?

5. Can anyone prove, beyond any doubt, that Bessler did not used lodestones (magnets )in his wheels?

6. Can anyone say what materials the 4kg weights used by Bessler were made of?

7. If you do not have answers to the above questions, why are you not in favour of magnet being a possible force Bessler used in his wheels?

Raj

[Tarsier79]

Hey Pathfinder.

If you discount magnets, then are you also going to disregard any designs using springs as well.

It is my opinion that Bessler didn't use magnets, but I doubt anyone has irrefutable evidence that suggests otherwise. If Raj wants to design magnetic assisted gravity motors, I have no problem with( or say in) him posting his designs. I just hope the next presentation will not take 5 days!

[path_finder]

Dear Tarsier79,
There is a big difference between the magnets and the springs: you cannot actuate a part at the opposite side of the wheel by using a magnet.
This is the reason why:
1. I dont take in account the magnets
2. I still consider the springs as a major element of any design

[ruggerodk]

I remember reading somewhere, that Bessler should have stated, that he could make his wheel work also with water, air and magnets.....

But that he could not find magnet which were strong enough.

Does anyone know where that statement originate from?

regards
ruggero ;-)

[jim_mich]

Usually whenever magnets have been discussed on the forum the subject of magnet strength is brought up. The only magnets known during Bessler's lifetime were naturally occurring loadstones, which have very weak magnetism compared to modern magnets. I do not know of any comment by Bessler concerning magnet strength. I may be wrong but I don't think there are any records of Bessler actually contemplating using magnets in any PM wheel.