Bessler's wheel and God (mostly God)

[DrWhat]

Sure, he's here, he just can't read his own writing LOL

[Jim Williams]

Richard

The question I cannot answer and therefor am posing is why is Bessler the only one to uncover his wheel? Everyone else that has tried either replicating the wheel itself or devising that which is a PMM has failed, remains unknown or is keeping that uncovered a secret. I think that is a fair subject for the Bessler Wheel discussion board.

I don't recall anywhere that the Devil had to tell Bessler that it was He that was revealing the secret to him. Why he might have left let Bessler think it was Bessler's own idea. If the Devil and Satan are the same, then Satan could have accused Bessler of inventing his wheel, to which Bessler answered to the best of his knowlege he had. How many people since Bessler have taken him on faith?

I came to this board with the belief that PMM was real and what Bessler had uncovered almost certainly worked. I don't believe that anymore. Regardless I do find value in examining in what caused me to see in such a view in the first place. Including it may have been the Devil before God or reality.

Jim W.

[Ian G]

bessler was'nt the first to create the pm wheel, it says in his ap text that he first seen it in a monastry turning a spit?

[daxwc]

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... spit+smoke

Read Ed's post Ian as he has covered all the bases there.

[daxwc]

That does bring me to another question I have always wanted to ask the forum. Many years ago, when I was growing up, I remember reading another story about a perpetual motion wheel that would do work. The only details I remember is that a Colony in the mountains of Germany owned the wheel. I believe the Americans had sent people to investigate the wheel, but the man that built it refused to reveal how it worked, saying mankind was not ready. The wheel was used to grind flour for the Colony, but was stated being able to power many things using gravity only. I believe the time frame was in the 1800’s and was a lengthy tale, does anybody out there know which book I was reading?


tks

[nicbordeaux]

Mad Magazine, March 1971.

[Richard]

Jim...I understand now, the nature of a very enlightened question...I am humbled by it....well done:-))

Please stick around a while longer...keep believeing....Bessler's wheel will be coming soon..this is a statement of faith...

Look at the ridiculous and numerous ways God would have the old testament prophets communicate to the people...lay on your side for half a year then on your other side for the other half a year. and how about ....marry a prostitute and then divorce her..thus I will do to you Balek was so eager god had to have the Ass speak..(This was a four legged Ass)

What a Great reintroduction...three hundred years...times up...who'll give god the glory

Bessler constantly talked of the evil of man...but from what? a lofty perch..no I do not believe this (he admits his pride and anger) so then.. does he speak from piety?...hardly...his scorn and contempt are readily seen and he makes no effort to mask that part of him...Where then ? From what platform does he seperate himself from the typical evil man..

apoliea The son of perdition who must reveal or be revealed before the christ returns...is it that simple then? no why...? Because John in his gospel calls Judas apoliea

If the christ is the sacrifice ...then whom is the scapegoat?..they can not be the same..This is Levitical Law and Dueteronic....so then if the scapegoat is released into the wilderness...what do you supppose Gods good people would do if this damned goat came meandering back into the temple....They would probably shit thier pants....woe is us..

Bessler knows this...this is his platform...how then can Paul declare as future what John declares dead?...Why would you think Bessler would declare the biggest lie Satan would Tell you...is that he (satan) isn't real..

The real question is Did Bessler Think himself Satan (accuser) or the worthless shepherd (Zechariah)...I believe He felt himself "The Worthless Shepherd...Why?..Because he knows judaism...he knows the law

The first shepherd broke "FAVOR" this is the law...for that the price of thirty pieces of silver was paid...(Zechariah) In other words...no longer the Jew only..God made "union" with the gentiles

The worthless Shepherd will break "Union"...what then...If union is broken then Christ rejects the Church...the marriage..and most importantly Grace..

Without the law and without Grace how will man now come to God?

[DrWhat]

If you believe in some sort of afterlife, then be content in the fact that you will know the secret of the Bessler Wheel at least then. But by that stage the BW will be a triviality!

[rlortie]

Thank God this is an off-topic thread as I cannot resist!

Have you ever told a white lie? You are going to love this, especially all of the ladies who bake for church events: Alice Grayson was to bake a cake for the Baptist Church Ladies' Group in Tuscaloosa , but forgot to do it until the last minute.

She remembered it the morning of the bake sale and after rummaging through cabinets, found an angel food cake mix & quickly made it while drying her hair, dressing, and helping her son pack up for Scout camp.

When she took the cake from the oven, the center had dropped flat and the cake was horribly disfigured and she exclaimed, "Oh dear, there is not time to bake another cake!" This cake was important to Alice because she did so want to fit in at her new church, and in her new community of friends. So, being inventive, she looked around the house for something to build up the center of the cake. She found it in the bathroom - a roll of toilet paper. She plunked it in and then covered it with icing.

Not only did the finished product look beautiful, it looked perfect. And, before she left the house to drop the cake by the church and head for work, Alice woke her daughter and gave her some money and specific instructions to be at the bake sale the moment it opened at 9:30 and to buy the cake and bring it home.

When the daughter arrived at the sale, she found the attractive, perfect cake had already been sold. Amanda grabbed her cell phone & called her mom.

Alice was horrified - she was beside herself! Everyone would know! What would they think? She would be ostracized, talked about, ridiculed! All night, Alice lay awake in bed thinking about people pointing fingers at her and talking about her behind her back.

The next day, Alice promised herself she would try not to think about the cake and would attend the fancy luncheon/bridal shower at the home of a fellow church member and try to have a good time.
She did not really want to attend because the hostess was a snob who more than once had looked down her nose at the fact that Alice was a single parent and not from the founding families of Tuscaloosa, but having already RSVP'd, she couldn't think of a believable excuse to stay home.

The meal was elegant, the company was definitely upper crust old south and to Alice 's horror, the cake in question was presented for dessert! Alice felt the blood drain from her body when she saw the cake! She started out of her chair to tell the hostess all about it, but before she could get to her feet, the Mayor's wife said, "what a beautiful cake!"


Alice, still stunned, sat back in her chair when she heard the hostess (who was a prominent church member) say, "Thank you, I baked it myself.."

Alice smiled and thought to herself, "God is good.�

[Richard]

Ralph....that is beautiful...justice is sweet...god is good..."thank you, I Baked it myself".. priceless:-))

DrWhat...why do you conclude that my discription of the bessler wheel, the axle assembly I.E. inner wheel pendulem are wrong?. I've been fothright in my postings and shareing...I can take constructive critisizm...indeed direct hostility and wrath towards me...I'm a big boy..I can take that...ask Ralph..we've had som doozies:-)

Is it because I"ve not vested and sacrificed to the level that John Collins has that allows you to so easily dismiss my design?

Jim...why do you not believe PM possible when it is clearly unfolding in front of you, here on this forum?

Have I opened myself to such "Folly" by Claiming Bessler's Inner wheel Pendulem.so that I might enjoy the scorn and contempt or the ridicule of the members of this Forum...?

Alan..Bessler might or might not be here...If I say his Wheel is...then it is.

Ian..well stated friend..this I would add....an spit would not allow rotation of the meat if it were skewered through the center like an single axle...it was the similarity to the spit and the fer de milone that became the the creative genius to Besslers wheel....One that he was continually re-creating and refining.

Two World wars...Scientific genius...Luther..the Wheel...The Jewish solution...All historically confined in such a small and brief chapter of historical and religious history...what to hell was going on over there! edited.
Location, Location Location

[Ian G]

Richard:

Maybe there lies the clue we are all looking for?

Now try two pigs!

Nice to see someone standing up to 1/2 of this cr#p

[Richard]

Ian...

Oink...Oink:_))

Two pigs and MT 42/F

I've described the axle in one of these forgotten post..(freely given)

I've described the wheel in some of these post..( freely given)

Here is the real Hoot !...After John C discloses his wheel...My brother Michael and myself...some friends from the trade

We're going to build it and I specifically Am going to defend it Like a Jealous God and an attacking prosecutor

I am a new comer to this forum...but I've searched fro the Son of Perdition for 27 years...intensive....who would of thought "That the wheel the builders rejected....The same has become the Runner."

[nicbordeaux]

After John C discloses his wheel...

Dear oh dear, must have mised something. last I heard John didn't have a wheel, just a device which needed reset.

[Jim Williams]

Somewhere logic tells me if Bessler's wheel could be balanced that the Scales of Justice could never be balanced. Speaking of symbols, I note with interest the swastika dates to Biblical times and looks like a symbol ideal to represent a failure (or success) to balance.

[Jim Williams]

Correction: Should have read, " ... if Bessler's wheel could be unbalanced, then the Scales of Justice could never be balanced."