Bessler's wheel and God (mostly God)

[Richard]

Nic...you got me :) Doh! What I mean is I'd like to see John "Publish" because of a Kindred feeling I have towards him...He searching for "The Man" his wheel; Me searching for "The son" of perdition...how could we know our paths would cross...

Haveing stated that; I will be his Greatest critic If I feel his wheel does not conform to Bessler's Statements and The MT(s)

I am left to wonder, "If by reason alone" John has accomplished this....why? simple...I need to Know if Bessler was right when he made the statement.."I think not" ( paraphrase)

Jim...How many times has Bessler said " Overbalanced" or "Unbalanced" this is a serious (not rhetorical) question...I Glean that these assertions come primarily from observers??? I do confess that I am Limited to what I get from Here and the Web...:)

The point to the above question....Justice may have balance and Bessler wheel can still turn...Gravity works the weighted outer edge and leverage lift the weights from the axle...it's a dynamic lever a 360 dg. lever, but there needs to be a principle of connect and disconnect..thus free and seperate weights

Truthfully I do not know how Bessler designed his wheel...But I absolutely know how to Build his wheel

....but we are here at Besslers wheel and God..Mostly God

God damned right it's mostly god....and try this shit on for size....The meek will inherit the earth....back off you corrupt and (greedy) rich...step down you vain and pretentious leaders of the flock.

[ovyyus]

The meek will inherit the earth....

History shows this to always be true after (inevitable) disaster. Cockroaches and rodents are proven survivors.

[Ed]

Truthfully I do not know how Bessler designed his wheel...But I absolutely know how to Build his wheel.

How is that? Will you get help from the face you saw in your tortilla?

[rlortie]

I would not consider cockroaches meek! They have been around waiting their turn for 200 million years, longer than any other known species extinct or otherwise. They can live up to a week after loosing their head and die due of thirst.

I would not argue the point that they will some day be at the the head of the food chain.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

I would not consider cockroaches meek! They have been around waiting their turn for 200 million years...

Well Ralph, they're meek while under the heel of mammal jackboots. Sieg Heil! :D

[Richard]

Ovyyus...you really are right on target....it will more than likely take cities of travelers and cities of buriers before corruption and greed and vanity are seen as a cancer to humankind...

Ralph...cockroaches....aint they a hoot!

Ed...do I just ignore you..will you go away...nah! somehow I just don't see that happening, so tell me then; Do you jerk-off while trying to find ways to F-ck with me

[jim_mich]

Richard,

No more potty mouth.

Let's keep this a family friendly site.

[Ian G]

Richard:

If Adam was the atom and Eve the electron (taken from the shell of the atom) then their two sons would be posative and negative (aka anode and cathode) or Cain and Abel.

[Ian G]

Oink Oink!!!

[Jim Williams]

I have no idea if Bessler ever said the word overbalanced. As with overunity it's curious the word came to exist before the reality.

[Richard]

Jim mich...of course you are right

My apologies..I sometimes fall back into the gutter that I am trying to climb out of...this is not self loathing; rather I recognize my station in life.

Ed...you drew me out :-) well done sir!

Jim...thank you for that; an interesting line of thought? origins of overbalance and overunity...(rather the "terms" as is applicable to our endeavor)

Ian..thank you for turning this back to >Bessler's wheel and God ( mostly God )...The word play you give here is exactly the type of poetic license Bessler employs...Levitical law shows that Able ( made a scrifice of atonement ) Cain....well...his was a peace offering....

Bessler didn't in his many writings allude to scripture cuz it was cool or the in thing to do...so whats the point? "Duality" Bessler's ability to "connectedness" is equally applicable to Living in both an absolute and an empiricle reality....I think this is not easily done and assume his depression must have been horrible...and that only an enormous intellect allowed a perpetual disconnect.

MT143 shows three wheel...archimedes....newtonian cradle...and Bessler's " inner wheel pendulem" ( the last ) seemed his greatest pride.

drop the pendula base allowing it to balance....oscillate...and supply the arc base of the the ramp assembly....the pendula alone can serve all three without additional caseings...close the top of the pendulem to the bottom....and watch as the most beautiful "peacocks tail" so proudly unfolds for you


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[Ian G]

Richard;

if you had the choice of destoying evil or creating PM which would you do?

[Tarsier79]

In revelation, Michael rides a chariot that has wheels within wheels, does this mean that a Bessler wheel has to be found so it can power the chariots of the archangels during the battle with hell?

[Grimer]

Initial thoughts off the cuff (i would need longer to find the chapters and verses, so these are just paraphrased ideas based on my religious mispent youth ...)

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1. Why would God give Bessler the solution and not have him pass it on?


God said that if we ask, we receive - if we seek we will find - etc. Bessler must have asked. Sometimes we can get what we ask for, but it isn't God's perfect will. BUT - I suspect this was God's perfect will, for reasons below. God often gives his prophets a glimpse of the future, at a time when they can't see it take place in their own time. But their testimony provides hope and inspiration for those who follow. The Holy Spirit decides the times and seasons and boundaries - "thus far and no further" ... until the chosen time. (And when an idea is ready, often it is released simultaneously to different people working "alone" all around the globe ...)

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2. If it wasn't God's will to give us the technology for a gravity driven wheel in the 1700's, why give it to Bessler?


Don't you think he might have been born for it? God "gives young men visions, and old men dreams" - this was what Bessler had to do. Importantly - it came at a time when Newton's ideas were taking hold, which spawned a Godless 'science' that empowered atheism. Actually, Newton was a bit of a God botherer himself (I think in a creepy way?). But if you read the history of the pioneers of "Energy" - they were a bunch of godless characters, some who took their own life.

Personally - I believe that the very axioms of our "science falsely so called" contains errors that have perverted the course of History. Bessler was the fly in the ointment, that demonstrated to thinking men even to today that MAYBE things are not as they seem ... God doesn't let his people be fooled - He exposes error and injustice, in His own time and in His own way ...

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3. Why didn't God give some one else the solution after Bessler's death?

The time still isn't right yet. But the standard has been raised, and we have Hope ...

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4. Why would it be the right time now, for God to reveal the solution.


Well maybe it isn't yet. I strongly suspect that we are being held back on purpose. Some may believe in conspiracy theories - but you also have to consider that the Holy Spirit doesn't want this to happen just yet. Everything in life is a spiritual battle first and foremost. Earthly affairs simply reflect what is taking place in Spirit. Just as our earthly Body follows along after our Spirit (generally).

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5. Who would God choose next to give this gift ( or curse ) to? What kind of a heart would they have?


Probably another ornery cuss just like Bessler :) A few around here might fit the bill ... a special character, for sure. Most of men of faith in the Bible were strange dudes ... strange ...

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6. If God can give us the answer, can he also prevent everyone else from discovering it? ( blinders )


God loves to hide things from the "wise of this world", and give things to children. Think about it: here is the greatest intelligence in the Universe - He knows the location of every particle in the universe at any point in time ... He can't be fooled, ever. He must look down on the "wise" and arrogant people as being very dumb children who are out of line. Like a good parent, He just lets them make an arse of themselves so they can find a little humility perhaps ...

God knows the consequences of everything He allows. Good inventions get used for war, more often than not.

If you think you can handle it, He may allow you to enjoy a free energy invention. There is a religious bunch who have an electrical free energy device - the name escapes me but starts with M. They are fairly low key, and seem to have played this well.

Greed is an evil root ... Bessler was smart ...

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Nature abhors a moron.

I've only just come across this thread.

I liked your above answer greendoor. Seems to me that your youth wasn't mispent - quite the contrary.

[Richard]

Ian

I would rather discover PM than destroy evil....Perpetual motion is possible I.E (a body in motion stays in motion....) evil, like energy can not be destroyed it can only be changed:-)

Tarsier In Revelations the man from patmos is probably making assossiative comparisons to the "Ezekial Wheel" of the Old Testament

Grimer...thanx much for sharing greendoor "Initial thoughts off the cuff"

Bessler states that the wheel was given to him by god...this is an absolute truth.

Frame of reference...do not look to Germany, science, religion from our perspective rather view the events Geographically, religiously, scientifically from a hundred or few hundred years future.

Bessler the wheel..(It is not a wheel/ it is a pendulem with an outer shell directing weights back to the center of the Pendula/ Axel center) could have easily been revealed at any time Bessler was starving and cold and depressed and disillussioned...it was not revealed because Bessler faith told him that to his current evil generation it was not to be...

Bessler has hope for humanity and urges an intelligent and personal appeal for man to return to god...it is possible Bessler disliked the paradigm shift from absolute reasoning to the new science of empiricle neccessity

Why would God reveal his wheel now...Simple..really......since Bessler showed his first wheel 298 years ago...we've made a disasterous mistake...that mistake being seperating Science from God or Empericle from Absolute..... The wheel may do more to prove God than it does to disprove science...Gods wheel has an implication far greater in secular history than it does in scientific history

I am nearly complete with my build....the inner wheel pendula is approx. 33 inches in diam and (For Fletcher) I've decided not to incorporate the springs Bessler used..:-)) With 1 inch steel shaft , sealed bearings and 35 polished 2 and 1/4 inch steel, cylindrical weights I will have no problem with friction.

I am anticipating video for viewing middle next week