Broken Symmetry

[AlanR]

Hi fellow enthusuasts

Just some thoughts about an overbalanced wheel without overbalancing any mass.

A wheel has 4 quadrants.
I'll name them as per the values of X & Y on a number plane.
ie, ++ (top right), +- (bottom right), -- (bottom left) -+ (top left)

A mass moving around the wheels perimetre imparts a force outward from the wheels axle, Centripetal/Centrifugal force. (Fc)
All is equal, however, as Fc in each opposite quadrant cancels each other.
(use a single mass to see the way in which the axle is caused to wobble in response to this force as a demo)

Now, Fc is "good" in the +- and the -+ quadrant (assume wheel rotates clockwise) as Fc contributes to the forward motion in these two quadrants...but is exactly "nulled" by the effect of ++ and -- quadrants.

So... can we get rid of this symmetry, by either increasing it in the good quads and/or decreasing it in the bad quads.

Heres a way that might work.

From gyro experiments (see gyroscopes.org) the actual value of Fc can be diminished signifigantly by rotating the mass around its own C of G.
(claims up to 90% lessening of Fc) I wont go into detail... check the experiments at the web site if interested.

So... I thought about converting the KE of the mass into Angular momentum of its own , but that would be counterproductive (we still want the KE to maintain forward motion)

What if, then, that the masses maintained constant velocity around the wheel but exchanged angular momentum at the boundaries of these quadrants with each other (the relevant pairs) ?

An ammount of energy would be required to set this exchange in motion, but given efficient couplings any losses could be minimized and overwhelmed anyway by the effective overbalancing of the wheel.

I tried to keep this brief.... anyone see anything in this and I'll throw another 2c worth in.

regards

Alan R.

[Jonathan]

I'm interested in your comments about the varying of Fc with spinning of the mass. The rest didn't make sense to me, Fc is radial and so doesn't contribute to rotation.

[jim_mich]

From gyro experiments (see gyroscopes.org) the actual value of Fc can be diminished signifigantly by rotating the mass around its own C of G.
(claims up to 90% lessening of Fc) I wont go into detail... check the experiments at the web site if interested.

Could you provide a link to the specific page at http://www.gyroscopes.org where this is discussed?

THanks,

[Vic Hays]

I went to the website and there was a video by Eric Laithewaite 84 mb long. It took hours to download, but it talked about his reactionless drive using gyroscopes a little bit. The video was mainly about being discredited by the establishment for promoting heresies against traditional science. There was a last experiment in which he claimed a decrease in centrifugal force and the transport of mass through space without breaking traditional rules of science.

[AlanR]

Heres the link to the paper

http://www.gyroscopes.org/masstran.asp

granted this stuff is controversial...but so is Besslers wheel.

Heres an extract from a relevant bit

Experiments indeed show that the centrifugal forces demanded by spinning wheels precessed in this manner are less than the values calculated from simple mechanics. The reduction in centrifugal force depends on the "quality" of the wheels and the manner of precession. The quality of the wheel depends on the relative size of the rim to its diameter and the proportion of its mass that is in that rim. Thus, the finer the rim and the more of its mass is in the rim, the "better" the wheel will be. Likewise, the faster the rate of spin is to the rate of precession, and the larger the radius of the spinning wheel is to the radius of precession, the less will be the centrifugal force it exhibits.

To get an impressive reduction in centrifugal force you need a large heavy wheel with a very thin rim, virtually no spokes or middle, running very fast and being precessed slowly round a small radius.

Experimentally, with a high quality wheel, precessing on a radius about twice that of the wheel, with a spin in excess of 100 times the rate of precession, we have recorded centrifugal forces of less than one tenth of that anticipated from calculation.

So IF it is true than Fc can be decreased, and aside from the possibilities of reactionless drives as a result (I'm not betting on it), can this effect result in an asymmetrical force which could be utilized in the wheels motion?

I take your point Jonathan about Fc being radial and therefore not contributing to wheel motion.... maybe in some other way within the wheel. Maybe the whole wheel would be inclined to move due to this imbalance...and maybe this force/motion could tension a spring or something which would then be released as a rotational push of the wheel about its axis.

I like brainstorming using lateral thinking...going from one absurd idea to the next...finally landing somewhere with something useful.

[Georg Künstler]

breaking the symmetry was already solved with the wheel I showed on the 7.August under Georg's ideas. Too simple to believe it !!
Breaking the symmetry left or right on 8 O'Clock or 4 O'Clock is depending on the turning direction of the outer wheel. Only open your eyes and you will detect the turning of the segmented cylinder. What you like to find with a gyro.
Try to lift a rotating mass, like the segmented cylinder, out of center !! You will be astonished. You will find what you are searching.

the future has begun

Georg