Besslers wheel may have been a Hamster Wheel.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi guys,

I am thinking about adding 360 pivoting weighted levers to my hamster to help throw him forward and make him more dynamic.

Regards Trevor

[triplock]

I am thinking about adding 360 pivoting weighted levers to my hamster to help throw him forward and make him more dynamic.

Noooooo....!!!!!!!!


Trevor,
IMHO, In the context of your design, increasing the number of weighted levers in your hamster will not promote rotation. There has to be a link to another reference frame to enable the hamster to 'climb' against the counter rotation of the wheel.

The other 'new' attachment has to be weighted to oppose this tendancy to keel. The hamster idea is good, but work on the missing part mate. If you can work that bit out then you're a cleverer man than me ;-)

regards, Chris

[Ian G]

Why give it weights?
just put some food in there and watch it load it's face

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Chris,

I love the photo thanks.

Chris you are missing the point of my design, I have tried climbing hamster and they do not work, I have tried connecting them to pivoting levers, scissors, weights, springs and even a spring loaded cart pushing him, you name it I tried it, what my design is here is what I have not tried!

I believe the only thing left before hammy takes is last trip to the vets is this, I want to train him to start running down the ascending side of the wheel pushing the wheel behind him just as soon as the wheel is given a spin in any direction, anything that will help throw him forward has to of benefit, do not forget that he will be running down hill with gravity, not up hill against gravity, this is where the main advantage should be.

Thanks for your input but for me the only way I have not look at before most be the build to build just in case, it is a long shot but in the Besslers wheel search we need to start ruling things out but only after building them not before as we could miss it.

I will build it with a mainly open side so you can see what is happening, video it and post it either way.

Regards Trevor

Edit, remove ever for either.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Why give it weights?
just put some food in there and watch it load it's face

Hi Ian G

I have done its called hamsters gravity feed and is avalible everywhere.

Edit I do not want to feed him up to much as he maybe going to the vets to join althoughs other in wheel heaven!

Regards Trevor

[path_finder]

Dear Trevor Lyn Whatford,
Why do not use the famous 'conical path' for allowing the hamster to go more upward?
http://plus.maths.org/issue40/features/ ... -gifd.html

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Path_finder,

I do not see as a cone shape will help unless you mean the incline shape being male to a female hamster shape instead of a male hamster, I do not want to force the hamster to do anything he does not want to do as that will take energy, he is free to run where he wants to, its important to make shore he pushes the wheel behind though.

I have rotated some different objects inside wheels and most want to run down the ascending side so that most be the main feature of any design, well at least a good starting point.

Thank for your input Path_finder as you are one of the upper most hamster designers one could wish to find.

Regards Trevor

[getterdone]

Hi Path finder

I think the conical path would be much more useful with the Joseph Morgese seesaw



http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... ght=seesaw

[path_finder]

Dear Trevor,
Many thanks for the comment.
edited:
My idea was to let climb the hamster not directly on the inner rim of the wheel, but on a succession of inverted conical paths linked to the rim, in view to artificially increase the active curse of the hamster (by the way overpassing the 22,5 grades limit).


Dear getterdone,
Mr Joseph Morgese seems to have used some spherical weights instead conical.
The benefits of a double conical shaped weight is the possibility to change the position of the axis without to move the COG of the weight on a linear basis.
This feature could be used per example in the Gera design, for lift-up the weight between 4:00 and 6:00 (in fact lift-up the axis) by the mean of two curved rods.
If one set of rods allows the catching of the weight by the next set, bingo: so far we have a Jacob Ladder where the weights are jumping from one to another.
I want to think further about this idea...

[path_finder]

I will perhaps tell an absurdity, but anyway:
Why the double conical shaped weight would not be able to reduce its own conical path, modifying at the backward side the angle of the rods by the mean of a scissor per example?

[Tarsier79]

The conical path is a good area to look at. Even though its mass is falling, its weight is being "felt" at a higher and higher position. You could use it to "climb" out towards the edge of a wheel at 2 (CW rotation) and in at 8, using a setup like MT1.

[path_finder]

Not only MT1, but all designs with the need of restoring a level position.

I red somewhere, during the manipulation of the weights by the witnesses, it was not possible for them to touch nor see the axles.
Somewhere also a witness is speaking about 'a conical like shape for the axle'

Stewart, please help us. Thanks.

[path_finder]

Dear Tarsier79,
Hereafter a drawing summarizing the concept.
The curved rods (in red) allow the lift-up between 5:00 and 6:00, and the setup on the outer path between 12:00 and 1:00.
The COG don't change of altitude, so far passing from the outer half circle (radius R2) to the inner half circle (radius R1) and vice-versa without any addition of energy like shown by the violet arrow (COG translation).
The values of these two radius R1 and R2, are dependent from the radius of the wheel and the radius of the weights.
The available power is the area paint in light green.
The area paint in light yellow is a top view showing the 'V' shaped rods position.
For sure the most efficient effect would be obtained if the diameter of the weight is equal to the radius of the wheel, but in this case there are some contention problems because the number of the weights populating the wheel, and in addition the need for a big thickness (width) of the wheel. A compromise is therefore needed.
The 'V' shaped red rods could be the famous 'A with legs' of Bessler if we accept a design where the aperture of the 'V' rods should be variable.
IMHO this concept merits a building.

[path_finder]

Completing for the newbies:

The double cone uphill roller:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkt1eScOCEI

Instead to use a double cone, an alternative is the catenoid, like shown here:
http://www.creative-science.org.uk/rolling_cone.html

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Path_finder,

its still lowering weight and there is not much to push the wheel back with.

(Edit, I am hoping that my hamster will be running down a never ending slope, that is the wheel rotating renewing the slope under the hamster with the hamster pushing back on the wheel in a never ending catch up.)

Make me wonder though wether if you had a little ramp just before the end of the open end of the V wether enough momentum could be built up to jump to the next V,<<<<<<<<<<, (Edit, on flat ground), still thanks for showing me.

Regards Trevor