The Dawn of Clean Energy

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi K,

Take a look at the drawing above Trevor 01 that Jim very kindly took the time and trouble to post, thanks once again Jim.

Look at the push over wheel there is a swing force loaded on that, then look at the red weights, draw a arrow straight down as that is the force of gravity, then you can see there is a pulling force on the generators pivots, but at the same time there is the force of gravity acting on the weights and the levers this should be enough to overwhelm the generator resistance, that is if I have got it right.

Heres another thought, see the drawing below, it is only a thought, given the small force required to rotate the wheel this might be enough out of balance to rotate the main wheel, I will look into it when I get the time,

Regards Trevor

Edit, Drawing key,
SL = secondary levers that would be connected to the gravity blades (GB) via a solid shaft pivoting through a bearing means (BM) on the main wheel, the push over wheel (WWR) would not have so much strain on it and you can play with the ratios.

[Tarsier79]

Before you move on to this second design, which displays the same problems the geo genny does, I think it would be best you understand the shortfalls of the Geo Genny design and why it won't work. You pushing the second ring from its hanging position isn't really giving anything positive to the action of your wheel.

The other test you could do with your wheel, but will also probably destroy it.

Take 3 equal motors. Install 2 motors in opposite generator positions on the Genny, and a single motor driving it. If what you are saying is true, and the torque of the drive motor is amplified 8 times more than the generator, the single drive motor should overpower the two motors running in the opposite direction. I suspect there will be smoke from your drive motor. Make sure the gearing between motor and axles is equal in all 3 positions. Drive all 3 motors from the same battery.

Good luck

K

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi K,

The Company that aproched me is a small bio tech company with only about three power plants, I have only been in contact with the MD not the technical team, I thought that it would be a good company to tie in with as they are looking at this sort of thing, and could get a grant from the government to help found my design, my main consern now is what if the technical team share the same veiws as here.

Looks that I could be on my own again looking at the views here, but we shall see, you never know your luck.

Heres the back up plan mount to small Leisure wind turbine generators on two opposite pivots and drive a 12 volt battery drill drive, this will need a rebuild as the shown build was just a concept test nothing more.

Kaine, thank you very much for your input as its nice not to be talking to my self, but as Jim said in not so many words why waste time on a Idiot
that will not learn about physic and mechanics, I will keep you posted if I or anything changes.

Thanks Kaine regards Trevor

[AB Hammer]

Trevor

Just remember to find the key inside or outside the realms of Physics. Takes people who are willing to try. For if we don't try. It truly will be impossible.

[jim_mich]

No, an idiot is a person with a physical mental condition that limits their mental capacity. Most people on the other hand, have the ability to learn. Ignorance is curable by hard study and learning. Idiocy cannot be cured, except maybe someday using gene therapy.

I grew up in a time when a person could speak their mind freely and openly. It seems that now one must speak in certain fuzzy ways so as to say something without actually saying it.

Suppose that you see someone pushing inward real hard trying to open a door. And you also see that the door only opens outward. So you try to explain that it is impossible to open the door inward. But instead of listening, the person starts telling you that it should open outward if only ... At that point you realize that the person does not know enough about how doors work. Discussing details about why each proposed method of opening the door inward is useless until the person learns that the door cannot be opened inward without ripping the whole door frame apart.

Trevor asked me to, "Take a look at the video again ...". No amount of re-viewing of the video will convince me. Asking me to take another look insults to my intelligence. It is like asking me to take another look at an outward opening door because if only we do such and such it should open inward.

[triplock]

Ahh. But what if the door hinge was bi-directional ;-D

Get yer point though Jim....


Chris

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi, Alan, Jim, Chris,

I go with Alan on this one.

Physic is a intelligence inside a box, outside the box is a higher intelligence, the problem being, not how to open the door, but having the will to open the door, as it will challenge the intelligence you learnt inside the box.

Regards Trevor

[greendoor]

Greendoor,

Do you not see how the style of constructive post, such as Jim-Mich's, is a lot better than yours.

Arguing a point and being rude are quite different mate. By the way, I agree with what you said to trevor, but not in the manner in which it was said.

kind regards,

Chris

Maybe. Trevor and I have exchanged words in the past, and I admit I was bringing my previous frustrations with this man to the current debate.

Trevor won't deny that he has no interest in learning real physics, and therefore has no problem just ignoring the facts that seem to contradict his beliefs. I have tried to reason with him in the past - and I am serious when I say that his rash statements are actually fraudulent. He has already hurt himself very badly - financially and relationship-wise. I believe in 'tough love' - I wish Trevor no harm, but I have to speak sternly in the face of such destructive behaviour.

[greendoor]

Hi K,

The Company that aproched me is a small bio tech company with only about three power plants, I have only been in contact with the MD not the technical team, I thought that it would be a good company to tie in with as they are looking at this sort of thing, and could get a grant from the government to help found my design, my main consern now is what if the technical team share the same veiws as here.

Looks that I could be on my own again looking at the views here, but we shall see, you never know your luck.

Heres the back up plan mount to small Leisure wind turbine generators on two opposite pivots and drive a 12 volt battery drill drive, this will need a rebuild as the shown build was just a concept test nothing more.

Kaine, thank you very much for your input as its nice not to be talking to my self, but as Jim said in not so many words why waste time on a Idiot
that will not learn about physic and mechanics, I will keep you posted if I or anything changes.

Thanks Kaine regards Trevor

Trevor - if you could actually prove your claims, there wouldn't be a problem. You have been at this long enough to realise this by now.

If there is any truth in what you claim (e.g. 8 x multiplication of energy) then it should be possible to make a very simple experiment with very cheap parts on a very small scale. You always seem to rush to the other end of the spectrum - claiming that you need to build things bigger and more expensive before you prove your point.

You could learn a lot from Pathfinder - his intricate builds from a very small workspace are an inspiration. And he does not make outrageous fraudulent claims.

[triplock]

Trevor, I have to agree with Greendoor in this instant. Just go for a simple small build. No bells or whistles. Don't contact third party energy or parts companies. Whether intentional or not, you're leading them all down the proverbial garden path mate, and you're creating an unneccessarily large fall for yourself when things don't work out. I would avoid pissing up the leg of large companies too often.!!

Also,to a small degree, I agree with the 'fraudulent' tag, in some much as you deceive yourself sometimes in your enthusiasm and level of belief, and by default, you run the risk of deceiving others.

Also, imho, the geo-genny has only one thing going for it. That is the catchy name. !!

Please Trevor, just wind back to small scale.. I would dearly love to give more design input to help you on your way, but I'm here, but elsewhere if you know what I mean. If it helps, imho, ironically, you always have been in the right area of design ;-)) Just go back over other ideas and simplify further mate.

Kindest regards,

Chris

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Greendoor,

before you make wild accusation make shore it is me that needs to do the learning, I bet you think Jim was correct.

In Jims posts there was no mention of the different forces at play on the bearings that hold the lever shaft, and the different forces on the lever shaft, there was no mention of the correct forces and how they would act while they where on there circular paths, he refuses to believe that there is any positive leverage in play.

I did learn from his posts though, so you cannot accuse me of not learning, and that is Why Bother!

Regards Trevor

Edit, add positive + when proof is ignored due to a we no best mentality it is not a lot of good.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Trevor, I have to agree with Greendoor in this instant. Just go for a simple small build. No bells or whistles. Don't contact third party energy or parts companies. Whether intentional or not, you're leading them all down the proverbial garden path mate, and you're creating an unneccessarily large fall for yourself when things don't work out. I would avoid pissing up the leg of large companies too often.!!

Also,to a small degree, I agree with the 'fraudulent' tag, in some much as you deceive yourself sometimes in your enthusiasm and level of belief, and by default, you run the risk of deceiving others.

Also, imho, the geo-genny has only one thing going for it. That is the catchy name. !!

Please Trevor, just wind back to small scale.. I would dearly love to give more design input to help you on your way, but I'm here, but elsewhere if you know what I mean. If it helps, imho, ironically, you always have been in the right area of design ;-)) Just go back over other ideas and simplify further mate.

Kindest regards,

Chris

Trevor wrote,

The Company that approached me is a small bio tech company!

Here’s the back up plan, mount two small Leisure wind turbine generators on two opposite pivots and drive a 12 volt battery drill drive, this will need a rebuild as the shown build was just a concept test nothing more.

Hi Chris,

Greendoor is as stubborn as I am, the only deferent’s is mine is a positive stubborn.

I cannot go any further with this concept without generators, leisure wind turbine are not to expensive, I am comfortable with my current build size as I have most of the parts.

I have to many projects on the go at once and no time to do them, that is the route of my troubles, plus I work away a lot and may be back in brazil for six months.

Thanks for your kind offer but I would not want to put you at risk, reputation and others.

Regards Trevor

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Fletcher,

what did you think of my Geo Genny experiment that shows a constant 8 to 1 force advantage through a 360 degree rotation? It was a jump to stage two.

I hope to go back to stage one and show it step by step, but I am waiting for a gap in my work load, as I have not had a day off in the last 25 days, I would like to know your thoughts on it and any replications you would like to see.

I did muddle my words a bit , it shows that you can preload a gravity operated leverage torque on 8 lever pivots at the cost of rotating the device with an equal to kinetic energy ( Force ) of just one of the 8 pivots, the two pull test was from a peg that took a bit or time to get the pull angle right so the last couple of pulls on each test is the correct pull angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTbIAQb2zM

I am sorry to ask for your time, so I will understand it you do not reply to this, it is your own fault for being good at this sort of stuff.

With much respect Trevor

Edit, use a double post,

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,

I will be posting some more videos on the Geo Genny showing a step by step of what is going on, they will show how the driven main wheel push the lever pivot around through a bearing pivot to rotate the lever system in a circler path, and how by doing so there is a rotating leverage torque due to the input of gravity acting on the levers this applied to all eight lever shafts at any one time, because the levers follow the same circular path as the main wheel they will not cause stalling as the leverage torque is applied to the lever shaft, this is providing that the leverage torque is always greater than the work load it is asked to drive.

Generator are a good work load to drive as the force required to drive them builds up slowly, as the RPM increases so does there work load as the electro magnetic force builds, in other words they are a soft start. Because the levers are rotating with the main wheel and the work load is totally overwhelmed by the leverage torque, there should be not extra input required of the externally supplied drive system as the start up energy input is so high to start with.

So I conclude that my first thoughts on the Geo Genny where correct. Note the generators are not rotating against static points, the leverage forces are transferred while on the move with the generators and main wheel.

Drawings and videos to follow.

Regards Trevor

[triplock]

Trevor wrote:

Thanks for your kind offer but I would not want to put you at risk, reputation and others.

I wasn't aware that I had any reputation worth mentioning !!! LOL ;-)

Chris