New idea, this could be far better than before

[Jonathan]

It is all described in the document.

[Guest]

Now that definitely is a re-hash of Georg Kunstlers' gravity converter. What are you smoking anyway?

[Jonathan]

I HAVE PROVEN THAT GEORG'S GRAVITY CONVERTER DOESN'T WORK, AND THAT DEVICE DIDN'T HAVE WEIGHT REDISTRIBUTION! DOES THIS DEVICE EVEN HAVE EXCENTRIC WEIGHTS? NO! THEN HOW DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GEORG YOU FOOL?!
THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE, WHY WOULD I COME HERE, WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS GEORG'S IDEAS, AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS MY OWN?










Now, how about someone who can think in straight lines say what they think, who has any improvements, or proof that it won't work speak up? I post things on this board to disscuss them, NOT TO FIGHT OFF ACCUSSATIONS MADE WITHOUT PROOF!

[Guest]

Oww, my ears, all that yelling!

WHY WOULD I COME HERE, WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS GEORG'S IDEAS, AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS MY OWN?

I give up...why?

[AlanR]

for what its worth i cant see Jonathans idea infringing on Georg's in any way.

given the relatively small number of people working on solving an enigma with enormous potential benefits for mankind, i think we should try and look towards solutions, not bicker about whose idea looks like whose.

please, lets not let another thread turn counter-productive.

Regards, AlanR.

[Nitro]

I remember someone saying I was here to burst bubbles.
Did you have proof of that?
And no your idea will not work, But you should know that.
If you can disprove Georg's idea you can disprove yours.

[Jonathan]

First Nitro you are right, it was me who said that, and it was in question form, and I had no physical proof. I wanted to know because given the demeanor of your posts and your signature, you seemed like you're just some skeptic who comes here to make us feel stupid. I'm still not sure, you say so little, but it doesn't matter that much, for that reason.
Could you give a reason why it won't work? (Of course it is too late, read below.)
AlanR, thank you, I agree completely.
I find this board very helpful, I doubt I would be as creative without you all. I can come here and get ideas, cut and paste them together with my own additions and see what we get. <Sounds a little like biology :)
It is for that reason that if I were to get a device to work I would definitly give you all credit too, because there will probably be a little of you all in all my ideas, it is an inevitable result of veiwing your ideas.
Guest, the reason why is not answerable. The rhetorical question I asked was asked making the assumption that I did copy someone else's ideas. But since I didn't, the question has no relevance. Now notice, that I say I didn't, but admit a paragraph ago that there is a little of all your ideas in mine. That is where the similarity between mine and Georg's ideas came from, but they are not identical, they are similar in structure, but not functioning.

Now, Nitro said that if I can disprove Georg, I can disprove myself. And this is true, I have done just that. I spent several hours this evening making a model almost exactly as described, and it was perfectly balanced. I have found the flaw in my reasoning, it is: I came to the conclusion that since they would have different accelerations, it would turn. However, the design apparently negates the possibility of gravity giving them this acceleration, so no acceleration differential can occur.
However, I am still very interested in this concept of weight redistribution, though I don't have a new idea for it's use off the top of my head.

[Sevich]

Why should someone be accused of copying all or part of other peoples designs.....Who care's! Did'nt George (from this discussion board) copy Besslers ideas from history! If bessler was'nt born would George have his working wheel? Can the English claim Australia as their own and not the Aborigines? Can the English claim North America as their own? and so on .......It's always the case of big fish eating the little. Regards.............Sevich

[Nitro]

It has never been my intrest to make anyone feel stupid.
I firmly believe that ones own failure, Is ones own best teacher.
No prototype is a complete failure if you learn for certian WHY it failed.
And apply that in a constructive manner.

As for being a sceptic, Absolutely NOT.

It is just that I know for certian Bessler's wheel worked and isnt a PMM,
just mislabled a such.

As for posting little, I prefer to say as much as possible with the least needed.

[sek]

G'day to everybody. For a little while now, I've enjoyed reading these posts and have never had to respond till now. Its unfortunate I must respond like this but it appears some on this public forum are getting quite personal and this could undermine for excellent forum on it's focus on finding the 'solution', particularly with some members attacking each other quite harshly. FELLOW RESPECT AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM IS CRITICAL! Lets not forget some members have been researchig this area for years and years. Others are new blood just coming into the perpetual motion arena all excited with post and threads coming in almost at the speed of light. Perhaps I am wrong, but it appears there can be a danger with this type of general discussion forum. When a person posts their ideas (or as I call it 'intellectual property') publicly, they are technically giving away their rights to any claim to that idea as being totally their own. Once it's out there, irrespective of the time you posted it, others can (and will) not only take all or part of that idea you willingly gave out but some will claim to have thought of it before you. This can cause some real 'intellectual property rights' conflict. Though I think this forum's underlying philosophy to solve the gravity wheel as a group collective for the betterment of mankind is an honourable thing, at the end of the day I'm sure quit a few of the members and guests who come here would privately love to be 'THE ONE' to crack it! Wow! Imagine the fame and the glory ahead of anyone else. Oh! and of course it's benefit to the world! I'd not be truthful if I didn't have that kind of thought myself occassionally. For some the desire to be the first person is so strong, it has been known to be called a 'perpetual sickness' or syndrome. I think this is might be true for some, otherwise one wouldn't see these personal attacks starting to come in very rapidly. It is very disappointing, and as said these sort of antics could undermine this great website. I know personally, that it can get very frustrating when one doesn't get results or a solution to this riddle in a reasonable time. Remember, this mystery has been not resolved in nearly 3oo years!!!. Now everyone don't ever forget!! It could very well be all a great deception to all of us! Many fraudsters have come and gone and will come again. The evidence as I have read is VERY compelling into thinking it must all be true! Is it ? Nearly 300 years have past now, and many smart humans have come and gone. All of a sudden a few blokes get together (I don't recall having seen one working model claim on this site yet), and already I see 'intellectual property rights' claims starting to rear it's ugly head. Come on people!!! If you want the fame and glory for yourself then don't post your thoughts and ideas here. If you truly are the type of person who really wants to share the glory with others then stop this bickering now on this excellent website. Now for a complete right angle turn. I was lead to believe once that Bessler said "that anyone who tries to create an overbalance wheel will fail? Is this right? If so what are all of you great minds trying to do at this moment? Just my two cents worths BYE.

[Guest]

When a person posts their ideas (or as I call it 'intellectual property') publicly, they are technically giving away their rights to any claim to that idea as being totally their own.

When a person posts their ideas publicly, they are not technically giving away their rights to any claim to that idea. Only a bottom-feeding creature would subscribe to such a belief, hence the need for private members-only discussions.

[Nitro]

Well mark me a bottom feeder :)

[Jonathan]

Ntiro, that you for clearing this up sorry for the misunderstanding:

It has never been my intrest to make anyone feel stupid.
I firmly believe that ones own failure, Is ones own best teacher.
No prototype is a complete failure if you learn for certian WHY it failed.
And apply that in a constructive manner.

As for being a sceptic, Absolutely NOT.

It is just that I know for certian Bessler's wheel worked and isnt a PMM,
just mislabled a such.

As for posting little, I prefer to say as much as possible with the least needed.

I agree with sek except in the same way as Guest. I think that posting an idea doesn't give away your rights to it, it merely informs others of your idea. Now if I were to post an idea anonymously and without a date on it, and we had no way to prove where it came from (say, by the IP address which I bet Scott's computer would know), then you have given up the rights to the idea. All you have to do is put you name and date on it, and it is yours. That is unless of course it is possible to prove that someone else had almost the same idea and put there name and date on it, and the date is before your date, in which case it is their idea.

[sek]

Hi to all, in response to my first post, I agree that only a "bottom feeder " ( I like that term) would actually do what I wrote. But unfortunately, the world is full of them. It was very late when I wrote my view and perhaps what I should of said is that I think it would be very prudent to have some intellectual property protection in place before you spruke anything on the web. It's not to offend anybody, it's just trying to be street smart for yourself. On the other hand, if you really don't care to be the first person (perhaps after JB) to only just discover possibly the single biggest and most important worldwide event ever known to the future energy needs and survival of mankind, (phew!) then thats cool too!. I know though personally, I would want to be able to lay claim to that one with the best proof of ownership that I could. Thats why I like patents. I have read some posts here where the international PCT is frowned upon. Okay, it's system may not be perfect, but a number of successful prosecutions have resulted due to the "bottom feeder" trying to lay claim to an individual or company's original idea. I guess it might be like a policeman. Alot of us might not like them until we are in trouble and then we need them. I realise this is a general discussion board and these ideas (and great ideas they are!) are I think designed to be shared. But some ideas have made some people very rich and famous. Lets face it. If and I mean IF, someone discovered some way to make gravity to change from nature's perfect spring, and suddenly become a future viable energy source for the next millenium and beyond then to me that would be mind-blowing!! Bessler said it's so simple that a carpenter's boy could make it! Well hello! he's only talking about what some have termed as the 'holy grail' of physics. Should it not have been solved by now if it's that simple? I have read some posts here where the international PCT is frowned upon. Okay, it is probably not perfect, but a number of successful prosecutions have resulted due to a "bottom feeder" trying to lay claim to an individual or company's original idea. If however, you have something in place where at least a decent proportion of the countries in the world recognise your important efforts, then I think just putting your name and date to an idea here or there willynilly, and then hope everyone will say yep he or she is the one who did it, well, all I can say is good luck! Unfortunately, it's a competitive dog eat dog world out there! Give yourself an edge! Constructive comments anyone?
Just my two cents worth . Bye!

[sek]

Hi all, sorry for doubling up a couple of sentences there in my last post. I'm a bit new to this.
regards.